The black list of swindlers
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I'm not sure if there's already a thread about this, but if there is, there's two now. Unfortunately there are unhonest people around us whose only purpose is to fool and steal others coins. I'm not sure how they are treated here by the site, but I think that we, the honest people, should warn and inform each other! Unfortunately I've been in contact with a swindler. Totally unaware of this I decided to send first, since I've just had good experienses so far by the site. And of course he was an dishonest man. The member I'm talking about is ******. I now his real name, well, at least the name he gave me, but I'm not gonna reveal it here. I just want to warn everyone for him! ******* [Myszu2 removed name for violation of forum rules: "Do not discuss your problems with other members via the forum; please use private messaging." ] |
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This is a good idea. Surely this thread will help all of us. But, so far, no swindlers for me. Good luck! |
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 thank you
james |
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It seems like this comes up a lot, I have heard many members run into this, I lost a package once, but I think that was the postal, probably my fault for not packing in a better way. there are a lot of thieves out there. I am interested in silver coins but it seems that most "members" that have Silver coins in their swap list have 25 to 30 beautiful silver coins and they have never had a swap. If some one has no stars, or even just a few, I think I would have to ship mine after I received theirs. Not because I don't trust one person in particular, but just because it is a big problem. the internet is a place where its easy to cheat people, I think you just got to be careful. Sorry you lost some coins, I lost about $70 in coins once, I know it sucks. |
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Hi, I just got skimmed by a member from India. I send him over 50 coins. And I received no coins. He even gave me a trackingnumber in a mail. But offcourse when you track and trace the number, it gives me no information. This is the mailing between us: [The messages have been removed by Xavier, because of the secrecy of correspondence] |
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Danny, I almost sent some 50 coins to this user as well. But I delayed the swap hoping that one way or another the user would send the coins 1st (because he has no stars), I'd get them and after all this I'd send the coins as well. But I was noticed that this user might be a swindler, read your feedback and turned down the swap immediately. Hope you didn't lose too many valuable coins. |
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Why is the names deleted? Without the names it's no point of warning people? |
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Pity that those swindler names are already removed. It would be fine to get those names via a private message, so I can avoid possible swaps with them. Many thanks in advance. Greetings from Holland. Tony
Till swaps! |
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Hi, unfortunately, we have no rights to give the name freely, now... You have to guess ! Some help: An Indian Guy, is pseudo is like a calendar date, and his ranking in the member list sorted alphabetically is number 2. I've opened a discussion about this member in the French part of the forum, and it seems he has finalized several swaps: Actually, 2 members have sent coins to him... Who's next ? |
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the member has a name on numista with only numbers. For expample most users use the name as username. He has a username witch contains only numbers. Hope this helps.... Danny |
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Can we write it as u.s.e.r.n.a.m.e? Or u-s-e-r-n-a-m-e? Or both dots and lines? |
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I'm sure most people can figure it out, with the clues provided. |
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True, but for future reference. |
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I agree, some people deserve to be named, but if the policy wasn't in place, the forum would be full of bickering about every little disagreement. There are safeguards in place that help weed out some of the bad members, but they can only do so much. Honest feedback and a little caution can help as well, but I'm afraid, no system is fool proof. I am sorry to hear of your loss Dannyendjubaida, and I hope you will not judge the site or the other members by the actions of one. |
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I send him 18 coins some old german coins but the value should be 5 Euro for me. So the lost is okay. It´s the 1st Bad Swap here on numista. But I think I will only swap with members with feedbacks or the members must send me the coins 1st now. So a swindlers never will send the coins. |
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One final clue for anyone that hasn't figured it out yet - follow the feedback left! Then when you see the username and click on it you will see the profile and 2 trades with 2 negative feedbacks. Hopefully that should be enough of a deterrent for any other member considering a swap with this low-life. I am also sorry for your loss dannyendjubaida, but let this be a lesson for us all - carefully consider a members profile, swap history and the number of coins you are proposing to exchange before you embark on any trade.
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon |
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That lamer wanted to trade 81 coins with me a couple of weeks ago. It took all of two minutes to work out that he had simply worked his way down the countries list clicking anything which looked valuable and didn't really have any coins. Well, he's got some now I reckon. I hope fate or karma delivers a nasty case of genital herpes to go with them. Sorry for your losses and frustrations guys.
Illegitimus non carborundum est - good advice for all coins |
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He/she simply will register under different combination of numbers/letters and start it over. 
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Quote: scceda
why don you black the IP? |
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This thread is getting silly, verging on lynch-mob mentality. I have had packages not delivered, not because I didn't send them, but because they were lost in the post. That doesn't make me dishonest. A private message from the recipient explaining that they haven't arrived often resolves the matter - I have on some occassions sent replacements, this is not always possible because I'm not a dealer and don't have lots of duplicates of some coins. Then there was the package which took three months to arrive. In the meantime other packages sent the same way from the UK had arrived and the recipient quite naturally assumed mine was lost. I sent a replacement, only for the original to be delivered shortly afterwards (I never did hear if the replacements ever arrived). So you can't just assume that because a swap doesn't arrive that the member is a crook. Then there's the matter of black listing IP addresses. Many IP addresses are dynamic, even on broadband the ISP may have a pool of IP addresses and assign them randomly. People may use an Internet Cafe, or a mobile phone with a dynamic IP address. Simply, one has to be trusting. Even sending to a reputable member things can be lost or stolen in the post. If its valuable, don't send it. Or if you are going to send it and you are concerned, pay for secure postage. But please, don't start shouting "swindler" just because a swap hasn't arrived within a few days. Matt |
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hi am sorry for this. i am also from india. |
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okay, the guy i'm talking about has the same name as the green little...thing..in starwars..his name ends with three numbers, the first two are the same as donald duck has on his car, the last one is the first digit times two :) he has also deleted his profile, so yes, he's a swindler! but, he's living in the uk, so i've been thinking of to take a flight over and pay him a visit, since he left his address..i wonder what he would say..... 
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When you have several good 5* references and you want to trade with someone who dont have ANY good references, ask him to send his coins FIRST! And send your coins just when you receive coins from him. If he dont accept this i never confirm a trade. I use this since 2003 when I was cheated by another collector from Maharashtra / India and it works, I never have been cheated last 9 years :))) |
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When I tried to make this trade work, I was myself a new member. So I couldn't ask this. But yes, in the future, I will use this formule. |
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Quote: dannyendjubaida
If you are a new member here, try to make some trade with people with many good ratings and send your coins first. I did this too when I started to swap on Numista. Collectors asked to send my coins first, and I sent them, no problem... |
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I am seriously thinking about leaving. I believe I may have been cheated out of some coins by 2 members that I was convinced were honest members. After 3 weeks, one guy finally admitted that he has not shipped my coins yet because he has been busy. The other guy claims that he mailed the coins. What worries me is that if I do not get the coins and if I leave negative feedback, they will probably claim that they did not get the coins that I sent and leave negative feedback for me. That will scare others and I will not be able to swap.
I am willing to trade for Canada or United States coins. If we cannot do a swap, I am willing to sell any of the coins in my collection. |
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did you check them out ??? an keep in contact ???
james |
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Quote: james wolfe
Of course. It seems that a few members do a few small swaps to get some good feedback. Then, they do larger swaps but do not send the coins that they promise. They then threaten to give bad feedback if I give them bad feedback. It comes down to one member's word against another. Some of the swindlers are becoming more sophisticated. I am really getting frustrated with this.
I am willing to trade for Canada or United States coins. If we cannot do a swap, I am willing to sell any of the coins in my collection. |
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I've had a few swaps that worried me, but all of them worked out fine. One took a month to arrive. Give them time. Maybe your swap partners are just a little slow and will get moving. |
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He/she simply will register under different combination of numbers/letters and start it over. 
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