Denier - Raymond V or Raymond VI / Raymond VII

Denier - Raymond V or Raymond VI / Raymond VII - obverseDenier - Raymond V or Raymond VI / Raymond VII - reverse

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Features

Issuer Marquisate of Provence (French States)
Marquess Raymond V (1148-1194)
Raymond VI (1194-1222)
Raymond VII (1222-1249)
Type Standard circulation coin
Years 1151-1249
Value 1 Denier (1⁄240)
Currency Denier
Composition Billon
Weight 0.74 g
Diameter 17 mm
Shape Round (irregular)
Technique Hammered
Orientation Variable alignment ↺
Demonetized Yes
Number
N#
55300
References PA# 3726,
Faustin Poey d'Avant; 1858. Monnaies féodales de France / Tome 1. Anjou, Auvergne, Berri, Bourbonnais, Bretagne, France, Limousin, Maine, Nivernais, Normandie, Perche, Touraine, Velay. Rollin et Feuardent, Paris, France.
And 2 more volumes.
Dy féodales# 1606
Jean Duplessy; 2004. Les monnaies françaises féodales / Tome 1. Maison Platt, Paris, France.
And 1 more volumes.

Obverse

Hollow cross finishing in twelve pellets.

Script: Latin

Lettering: ✠ R ⋮ COMES ⋮ PALACI

Translation: Raimond, count of the Palace.

Reverse

Crescent around a sun.

Script: Latin

Lettering: ✠ DVX MARCHIO PV

Translation: Duke and Marquis of Provence.

Mints

Mornas, France (1148-1249)
Pont-de-Sorgue, modern-day Sorgues, France (1148-1354)

Comments

example of + R ⋮ COMES ⋮ PALATII // + DVX · MARCHIO · PV type:


The iconography is inspired by coins minted in the county of Tripoli (see example in link).

The types with the short cross are traditionally attributed to Raymond VI and Raymond VII. But this attribution is disputed by the numismatist researcher J.C. Moesgaard, on the basis of the study of deniers having been overstruck. Indeed, this researcher identified a denarius with a short cross that the coiners of the Count of Provence subsequently transformed, by over-minting it, into a royal denarius with a mitre. However, coins of the "royal miter" type were struck in the mint of the Count of Provence located in Arles between 1177 and 1185 at the latest. There were therefore already raimondins of the short cross type before 1185, which makes it necessary to reverse the chronology of the types: the raimondin with the short cross would have appeared first, then the raimondin with the long cross.

The translations of the cartulary and the charters of the Commandery of the Hospital of Saint John of Jerusalem in Avignon between 1170 and 1250, published by Claude-France Hollard (CNRS Editions, Paris, 2001) make it possible to date the appearance and the circulation of raimondins at the long cross. Indeed, the currencies most commonly used in these notarial deeds are the deniers raimondins of the marquisate of Provence, the deniers of the commune of Avignon and the deniers Melgoriens. However, we note that from July 1199 notaries expressed the price of land either in “old” sub raimondins (solidorum raimundensium veterum), or in “new” sub raimondins (solidorum raimundensium novorum). It is therefore that there were then two types of deniers raimondins in circulation in Avignon whose value was different.

On the other hand, in certain important real estate transactions, the notary even specified the relative value of new raimondins compared to the marc of fine silver, the marc of the city of Avignon being a local unit of weight which is estimated at 234 g. Thus in 1210, the marc d'argent would have been worth 90 sous raimondins new, then 85 sous in 1220, and 100 sous in 1227. In the absence of available chemical analyses, these three figures make it possible to estimate that the quality of new raimondins may have varied between 250 0/00 and 210 0/00 fine silver, if we neglect the variation in the price of silver over this period.

To this problem of dating issues, we must add a problem of locating the mint of each issue. absence of written sources, it is not possible to differentiate the types minted at Sorgues from those minted at Mornas.

According to Xavier VERGEREAU, "History of the monetary workshop of Pont-de-Sorgues".

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Date VG F VF XF AU UNC Frequency
ND (1151-1249)  85% + R ⋮ COMES ⋮ PALACI // + DVX · MARCh · PV
ND (1151-1249)  38% + R ⋮ COMES ⋮ PALATII // + DVX · MARCHIO · PV
ND (1151-1249)  8% + R ⋮ COS ⋮ PALACI // + DVX · MARCh · PV

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