10 dinara 1938 Kraljevina Jugoslavija (DDO)

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This coins is currently the only copy of this kind found in the world. very unusual that no one has come across this so far. I have a huge discussion with numismatics experts on the subject of this piece to determine the type of error. world experts (Fred Weinberg and Mike Diamond) have given their opinion that it is definitely DDO. Has anyone encountered this and if so does he have a copy like this that I can confirm the claims of the experts. thanks
I am not seeing anything special about your coin. However I do not have one to compare.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2008.html
Hi,

I have one, but it seems it's only in the signature under the bust that they differ



The K under the signature seems the same

and here is the signature with no doubling
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "Sjoelund"​Hi,

​I have one, but it seems it's only in the signature under the bust that they differ



​The K under the signature seems the same

​and here is the signature with no doubling

​your coin has a machine doubling. here is my such copy.
Quote: "harryg"​I am not seeing anything special about your coin. However I do not have one to compare.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2008.html
​I didn't understand what you meant. if you are thinking of a comment from the link you posted, that comment must be changed because it is a PMD and not a mistake during the forging or before the forging itself.
What I am saying is that you seem determined to have something special and I don't see anything remarkable about your coin. Perhaps you see what you wish to see.

https://en.ucoin.net/coin/yugoslavia-10-dinara-1938/?tid=39218


https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/yugoslavia-10-dinara-km-22-1938-cuid-1079010-duid-1603471


https://www.allnumis.com/coins-catalog/yugoslavia/peter-i-1934-1945/10-dinara-1938-2672
Quote: "harryg"​What I am saying is that you seem determined to have something special and I don't see anything remarkable about your coin. Perhaps you see what you wish to see.
​you misinterpreted. this is the only coin like this currently being published by me and no one has ever come across a copy like this and 30 million of them have been minted. if you know the nature of this type of error, you will see that this is DDO. secondly this coin has no special value nor will it have it. if it was an American cent from 1955 then it could be said to be something wow. this is just an ordinary piece that has an error made before the forging itself that must be entered in the list of this forging from this period. in order to do that, it is necessary that there is at least one more coin like this. in case I don't come across another copy like this this will remain the only recorded copy ever. that I see something because I want it to be that it is nonsense. here everything is as clear as day what it is.
normal coin
ddo coin
As far as I can see, there is nothing special on your coin, it has some doubling, ok. But that is not so very special.
...you can run,  but you can't hide...
DDO or D.D.O. - Doubled Die Obverse, an obverse die which exhibits doubled images in one or more places.

Here the signature is evidently doubled. So the coin is a DDO version. The very strange thing is, that when a doubled die is used on the obverse, you go on making the coins with the "error" until

1. that die wears out, results tens of thousands of coins are struck
2. quality control notices it, if after 1 day, I assume hundreds at least were struck

The mystery here is, that this DDO has never been reported before, maybe the quality control found it very fast and was able to pick the rest of the finished coin bin and only ONE coin came into circulation, but that's not very likely.

So where are the others DDO? 25.000.000 were struck, a huge amount!
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Topic moved to "Numismatic questions" (ZacUK, 3-Sep-2020, 05:01PM)
My problem with this very generous DDO label and claim to be the "only one in the world" is because it is exaggerated only on the micro writing and little to none, if any at all, on other parts of the coin. True doubling should be apparent and visible to the naked eye and not under extreme magnification. If the assumptions being made here are true then every coin in one way or the other is different from every other one in the world for myriad reasons.
Quote: "harryg"​My problem with this very generous DDO label and claim to be the "only one in the world" is because it is exaggerated only on the micro writing and little to none, if any at all, on other parts of the coin. True doubling should be apparent and visible to the naked eye and not under extreme magnification. If the assumptions being made here are true then every coin in one way or the other is different from every other one in the world for myriad reasons.
​My claim that she is the only one in the world for now is justified. I live in Bosnia and Herzegovina, a former member of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, which no longer exists and many people collect coins, and all those who have encountered this minting have not come across a specimen like this and have thousands of pieces. in addition, I am a member of a huge number of groups related to numismatics on social networks, especially related to numismatics in this area. as a colleague said it is very strange that only one of them is 25 million, so my question was whether someone might have come across a sample like this. the other thing is that the duplication is more than obvious to the naked eye, except that I used a magnifying glass to get a better view of it. it is primarily visible to the naked eye in the letters around the portrait of King Peter II. and it is most intense in the engraver's signature.
Quote: "harryg"​My problem with this very generous DDO label and claim to be the "only one in the world is because it is exaggerated only on the micro writing and little to none, if any at all, on other parts of the coin. True doubling should be apparent and visible to the naked eye and not under extreme magnification. If the assumptions being made here are true then every coin in one way or the other is different from every other one in the world for myriad reasons.
​I have plenty of experience with variants of any type, but it's an impossibilty that ONLY ONE DDO survived.

Honestly the signature is doubled, the coin is very common, so if we could just get all numista members to check their coin, I wouldn't be surprised to find others amongst all the collections having it. I just don't know how go around asking the owners, it has to be a special program finding the owners and sending the message please look for this on your coin and report it back.

I don't think it's a light problem when taking the image.

Strange
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
I would be overjoyed if another copy like this appeared. then I could rightly contact the creators of the numismatic books related to this age of this state to be introduced into the literature that it exists. thus they consider it ridiculous and machine doubling although I showed them on another example what machine doubling looks like I explained to experts from my area what is the difference between die doubling and machine doubling and they still claim to find another copy and none of the thousands of people with who I am in contact with and have on huge amounts of these coins have not come across this.
Is there any books about Jugoslavian error coins?
https://www.facebook.com/ottoman.coins
no and yes. this is the only most complete book related to that period and it is not in it. that is the reason why i am looking for another copy of the coin ddo that this can be introduced in the list here is the only thing about this coin as a variant or error


after reviewing more than 100,000 10 dinar 1938 coins of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia I was able to come across another copy of ddo that has the same markers as the coin I have already published here.

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So you're happy now?
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
yes and more than happy. If I may ask along the way here what is the procedure to get this DDO listed in the numist site, and also how to remove the comment related to these coins which is a total lie, which I have already mentioned above. I also have more than enough evidence and information to support my claims .thanks in advance for the information.
Quote: "andol"​after reviewing more than 100,000 10 dinar 1938 coins of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia I was able to come across another copy of ddo that has the same markers as the coin I have already published here.

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​So you claim, you checked more than 100.000 of this coins, what is over 500 kg...are you sure?
...you can run,  but you can't hide...
Quote: "andol"​yes and more than happy. If I may ask along the way here what is the procedure to get this DDO listed in the numist site, and also how to remove the comment related to these coins which is a total lie, which I have already mentioned above. I also have more than enough evidence and information to support my claims .thanks in advance for the information.
​Set up a documentation like I do, see exemple here

don't expect to get a year line specially for your variant, but just a comment to see the comments. If you need help to do the documentation, just ask.
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
I will definitely need a little help with this. I am very grateful to you in advance for taking your time for me.
Quote: "andol"​I will definitely need a little help with this. I am very grateful to you in advance for taking your time for me.
​Hi Andol,

please give me the name in our alphabet of the bearer of the signature to complete the documentation? What do you think?


Ole
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
QuoteSjoelund​
Quote: "andol"​yes and more than happy. If I may ask along the way here what is the procedure to get this DDO listed in the numist site, and also how to remove the comment related to these coins which is a total lie, which I have already mentioned above. I also have more than enough evidence and information to support my claims .thanks in advance for the information.
​​Set up a documentation like I do, see exemple here

​don't expect to get a year line specially for your variant, but just a comment to see the comments. If you need help to do the documentation, just ask.
Quote: "Sjoelund"​please give me the name in our alphabet of the bearer of the signature to complete the documentation? What do you think?​
Ф.ДИНЧИЋ would normally be transliterated to the Latin alphabet as F. DINČIĆ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frano_Menegello_Din%C4%8Di%C4%87

Magic: under the caption 'Works', two (other) 10 and 20 Dinara coins are mentioned with a link to Numista!
Quote: "Sjoelund"
Quote: "andol"​I will definitely need a little help with this. I am very grateful to you in advance for taking your time for me.
​​Hi Andol,

​please give me the name in our alphabet of the bearer of the signature to complete the documentation? What do you think?


​Ole
​ F. DINČIĆ
all the letters on the obverse are doubled. the signature of the engraver is the most pronounced, so he is the basic marker for discovering that variant. you can comfortably use the photos I posted as a suggestion for comment because they are a little clearer.
Quote: "Sjoelund"
Quote: "andol"​I will definitely need a little help with this. I am very grateful to you in advance for taking your time for me.
​​Hi Andol,

​please give me the name in our alphabet of the bearer of the signature to complete the documentation? What do you think?


​Ole
​I also have to correct you. it is the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, not Yugoslavia, these are totally two different states and totally two different time periods. Feel free to ask me all the information you need, I will provide you with all the necessary facts for that, and everything else you need.
Quote: "Sjoelund"
Quote: "andol"​I will definitely need a little help with this. I am very grateful to you in advance for taking your time for me.
​​Hi Andol,

​please give me the name in our alphabet of the bearer of the signature to complete the documentation? What do you think?


​Ole
I'm not convinced about YOUR documentation.

1st You have to show both faces of the coin!

2nd Nobody cares about you and about the ownership of the coins

3rd The variants will never get your name anyway

4th Be humble and just sign the documentation, I've been doing that for hundreds of my findings....

You can certainly manage by yourself now, since you are such a special person.

Enjoy your elevation
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "Sjoelund"​I'm not convinced about YOUR documentation.

​1st You have to show both faces of the coin!

​2nd Nobody cares about you and about the ownership of the coins

​3rd The variants will never get your name anyway

​4th Be humble and just sign the documentation, I've been doing that for hundreds of my findings....

​You can certainly manage by yourself now, since you are such a special person.

​Enjoy your elevation
​it is likely that there are language barriers. i personally use google translator to communicate with you. a lot of it is not translated properly. I understood and realized that it was obligatory to have photographs of both sides of the coin. if I made a mistake in preparing the comment I apologize. I tried to be as objective as possible. I am also familiar with your work and I see that you are a very experienced and educated person in all these matters and at no time did I want to offend you. what I stated in the photo that I own those pieces I did because there are some of the coins on which it is also emphasized who owns them, forgive me for making a mistake. That's why in the end I asked for your help so that I wouldn't do something wrong. thank you very much for pointing out my omissions to me.
Quote: "Sjoelund"​1st You have to show both faces of the coin!​
​And where are both faces on your documentation below?

Bad example, the documentation was made by Ina Huitema years ago and I only put it into form....

Sorry about that8)
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "Sjoelund"​Bad example, the documentation was made by Ina Huitema years ago and I only put it into form....

​Sorry about that8)
​Is this correct
There was nothing wrong with the text in the upper bar, I would not omit that:

Kingdom of Yugoslavia, 10 Dinara 1938, KM# 22/Schön# 17
Quote: "Essor Prof"​There was nothing wrong with the text in the upper bar, I would not omit that:

​Kingdom of Yugoslavia, 10 Dinara 1938, KM# 22/Schön# 17
​Thanks for the guideline. If I can ask when I apply for a comment, do I delete or leave this text, and below I post a phytograph that is by standards when I do it, along with the text that explains the photos.
You add, it's up to the referee to delete. You can suggest that parts of the existing comments should be deleted, if they wron or superfluos
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

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