Arno22
Joined: 14-Jan-2020
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 16:53
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 16:53
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Hello everyone !
Just got this coin, and I was wondering if its genuine?
If someone could give me a grading for it, it would be very nice.
thank you!
it weights 6,8g for 27mm, its silver apparently.
O Breizh ma bro!
harryg
Joined: 26-Mar-2018
Posts: 2794
Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 18:24
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 18:24
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Edited: 10-Sep-2020, 18:26
Although the weight and diameter are about right, I see too many details wrong with your example and I do not believe it is genuine. Here are examples of genuine 1806 25C coins
https://www.ngccoin.com/coin-explorer/early-quarters-1796-1838-pscid-34/1806-25c-ms-coinid-15314
https://www.pcgs.com/photograde#/Draped25LE/Grades
Mr. Midnight
Joined: 10-Mar-2017
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 19:00
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 19:00
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Sorry it looks fake to me too. It looks like a casting, especially around the stars to the left of the bust.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Arno22
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 19:11
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 19:11
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Damn! Thank you both!
Its a shame to see how deceptive can be fake coins sometimes.
im more used to french coins but this one looked ok to me.
O Breizh ma bro!
harryg
Joined: 26-Mar-2018
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 22:27
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Posted: 10-Sep-2020, 22:27
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Quote: "Arno22"Damn! Thank you both!
Its a shame to see how deceptive can be fake coins sometimes.
im more used to french coins but this one looked ok to me.
I feel your pain my friend. Counterfeiters are a scourge on our community.
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 05:29
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 05:29
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The pictures aren't excellent...
As of now, it could also be a seriously damaged but original coin in my opinion.
LRC
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Arno22
Joined: 14-Jan-2020
Posts: 396
Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 08:52
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 08:52
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Thanks Harry for your kindness, yes it is a Pity that this kind of coins exist to fool collectors...
thanks also, LRC for your message, when i'll receive it, i'll be posting better pictures of it.
O Breizh ma bro!
Arno22
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 12:50
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 12:50
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Here is another picture from the sale
(still the same quality but different angle !)
Nice day everyone
O Breizh ma bro!
harryg
Joined: 26-Mar-2018
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 14:20
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The most obvious and initial red flag to me was the distance between the word Liberty and the top of the bust and how close Liberty is to the rim. As well as other details such as the completely missing curl of hair to the immediate left of the 1 in the date. Even the worst condition and heavily worn coin prominently shows that detail.
(Poor 001)
https://i.pcgs.com/s3/cu-pcgs/Photograde/500/Draped25LE-01o.jpg
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 1042
Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 16:05
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 16:05
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Agreed with the new picture its unfortunately a fake.
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Arno22
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 16:53
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 16:53
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Edited: 11-Sep-2020, 16:53
Well, thanks again to Harry and loruca !
I lost this time, i think it happens sometimes !
good week-end to all anyway !
Arnaud.
O Breizh ma bro!
Arno22
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 19:55
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Posted: 11-Sep-2020, 19:55
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Good evening all!
just to show you this coin from pcgs, i think it shows the same defaults as the missing curl and the excess of metal near the T and the E of states on the reverse.
O Breizh ma bro!
Arno22
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Posted: 14-Sep-2020, 11:36
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Posted: 14-Sep-2020, 11:36
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Edited: 14-Sep-2020, 12:43
Hello to everyone !
I received the coin today, so i wanted to show you better pictures of it.
I made silver tests, and its conclusive.
Never seen a copy made of silver with the good weight and diameter, maybe a vintage copy...? Anyway, it clearly has the characteristics of the browning 9 type
it went through environmental damages I suppose.
have a nice day !
O Breizh ma bro!
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