Unknown Bulgarian Grosh [solved]

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My scale is broken so I'm don't the weight but the diameter is around 23-25mm
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I believe it is either:

#1=https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces67552.html

#2=https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces26123.html

Just not sure which one?
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Neither Numista entry references any catalog. Both entries are the same denomination, date range, and contain the same imagery. I'm not familiar with coins this old, and maybe I'm not as detail-oriented as I'd need to be if I collected these, but I have to wonder why there are even two separate entries for them. If KM did cover them, I expect they'd have the same main catalog number with maybe a .1 and .2, right?
I think the difference is that on the reverse right of Christ for the monogram tsar (ЦР) one listing is very long and the other is short. Also one has different number of dots next to the chair/stool and the chair looks slightly different in each picture. Still not sure which one it is though
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I think it's Shishman.
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Melius est esse unum numero in villa, quam numerus duo in metropoli.
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Quote: "SStefanov"​I think it's Shishman.
​Why do you think it is that?
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Because the main difference between the two is the slightly crude making of the coins. Shishman's are more crude than Ivan Alexander. I have this coin and I have consulted with professors about it.
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Melius est esse unum numero in villa, quam numerus duo in metropoli.
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Status changed to Solved (German_empire5_mark_fan, 24-Nov-2020, 21:23)
I guess this ones solved then.

BTW I added it to my swap list if anyone want its.
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Happy to help, Cherish it, it's a rare piece, not many are recovered these days. Swap it for a rare coin I would advise. Thanks buddy.

Kind regards,
Stef
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Melius est esse unum numero in villa, quam numerus duo in metropoli.
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I beg to differ. These are not as rare as you would think and thus, they are quite common. There is a huge difference between Ivan Alexander and Ivan Šišman. Most of the ones in the market place is the more common Ivan Alexander Grosh and that can easily be determined by the Monograms on the reverse, specifically the stylized M on the right. Ivan Šišman did not have a son named Michael. So, the original poster's coin is an Ivan Alexander Grosh. In regards to Ivan Šišman, those types are quite scarce and thus are difficult to find...

Bulgaria: Ivan Alexander (1331-1371) Grosh (Dimnik&Dobrinic-9.1.2)
Obv: Christ standing facing before seat, raising hands in benediction; IC XC and monograms across field.
Rev: Ivan Alexander and Michael Asen IV standing facing, each holding cross-tipped scepter, holding Christogram-tipped staff between them; monograms across field; stars flanking base of staff.



I should re-take the picture of this coin as lighting made the coin look a bit yellow:

Bulgaria: Ivan Alexander (1331-1371) Half Grosh (Raduchev & Zhekov 1.13.6)
Obv: Christ standing facing before seat, raising hands in benediction; IC XC and monograms across field.
Rev: Ivan Alexander and Michael Asen IV standing facing, each holding cross-tipped scepter, holding Christogram-tipped staff between them; monograms across field; stars flanking base of staff.



Here is an example of an Ivan Šišman Grosh as I currently don't have a picture of one. Notice the absence of any monograms..



and a variety with a monogram on the reverse, but no stylized M...



and finally, a collection of Bulgarian and Serbian Grosh that is waiting to be classified on my desk once I find my copy of Dochev... :P

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