bdino74
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 11:24
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 11:24
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Numista coins page for B&H lists Bosnian historical currencies as follows:
- Suverena (1993-1998)
- Second Dinar (1994-1998)
- Convertible Mark (1998-date)
However, only Convertible Mark (Konvertibilna marka) is correct. The coins under "Suverena" or "Second Dinar" were not issued by Bosnian authorities and they were not a legal tender anywhere. "Second Dinar" existed, but it was only banknotes. Those are commemorative medals, minted by the UK Pobjoy mint, valuable and rare collector's items, but in my mind they are wrongly classified as separate currencies.
I can see there was some discussion about it on the forum
previously, but it probably just fixed the banknotes section.
Dino
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 14:26
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 14:26
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The word 'Suverena' means 'Sovereign' in the Bosnian language.
The Dinara medal-coins are non-circulating, as the value of the Bosnian Dinar went through the floor, along with the other former Yugoslavian currencies in the early 1990's.
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ceh2019
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 16:46
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 16:46
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As you rightly say, the second dinar was only issued as banknotes for circulation. Where would you place the dinara coins issued between 1993 and 1997?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
bdino74
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 17:49
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Quote: "ceh2019"As you rightly say, the second dinar was only issued as banknotes for circulation. Where would you place the dinara coins issued between 1993 and 1997?
I'm not sure about dinar coins, but "Suverena" definitely shouldn't be listed there as a currency at all. Maybe all of that series belongs to exonumia, but don't take my word for it.
Dino
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 17:53
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Posted: 18-Jan-2021, 17:53
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Quite frankly, I'd be happy putting the suverena in exonumia. The question is whether there was a link between wartorn Bosnia and the mint making them. If there was, they stay, if not, they go.
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Jarcek
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Posted: 22-Jan-2021, 10:28
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Posted: 22-Jan-2021, 10:28
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Well, the currencies are "fine" or rather, the correct ones are created, but there are still "old" ones which remain, because the coins are still there. It would be nice if we could get some high level clarification on the Suverena (and others in question) validity.
I will mark this as accepted, while the currency work in database is done, we should seek more info on the coins.
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Posted: 2-Feb-2023, 20:01
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bdino74
Quote: "ceh2019"As you rightly say, the second dinar was only issued as banknotes for circulation. Where would you place the dinara coins issued between 1993 and 1997?
I'm not sure about dinar coins, but "Suverena" definitely shouldn't be listed there as a currency at all. Maybe all of that series belongs to exonumia, but don't take my word for it.
The Suverena medal-coins should be in a separate section under ‘Coins’ - like what has been done with the Dollar denominated medal-coins under ‘Sierra Leone’.
The Pobjoy Mint in England struck quite a few medal-coins in the 1990's for Bosnia-Hercegovina.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2023, 08:35
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Posted: 22-Aug-2023, 08:35
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I found absolutely no source about this “currency”
We should remove it, and move coins to Exonumia
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Jarcek
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Posted: 22-Aug-2023, 09:44
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I always wanted to get some info on this, and never found any. I would be for moving them until proved otherwise.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2023, 09:53
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There are also ECU-denominated medal-coins for Bosnia-Hercegovina as well.
The Pobjoy Mint struck them on behalf of the Bosnian Government in Sarajevo to help raise funds towards reconstruction of that country.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2023, 10:13
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Jarcek
I always wanted to get some info on this, and never found any. I would be for moving them until proved otherwise.
I was able to remove the currency with SQL.
But dont know if I should try also to change category with it. Afraid to break something…
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Jarcek
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Posted: 22-Aug-2023, 10:15
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Posted: 22-Aug-2023, 10:15
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I will do that by hand. :)
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Posted: 26-Aug-2023, 22:37
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What about 1 Suverena 1995?
It was not move to Exonumia?
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Posted: 26-Aug-2023, 22:55
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zdravko
What about 1 Suverena 1995?
It was not move to Exonumia?
Can you put the link please?
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Posted: 26-Aug-2023, 23:01
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