JoeVinu
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Posted: 10-Feb-2021, 11:10AM
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Essor Prof
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Posted: 10-Feb-2021, 12:10PM
Posted: 10-Feb-2021, 12:10PM
They are not real coins. They WERE real 1 ruble coins which were afterwards privately enameled. The moment these legal tender coins were altered they lost their legal tender status.
Comparable with this Egyptian set:
Read the lines in red: "legal-tender One Pound Egyptian coins that serve as host for the following depictions". So don't let you mislead by this "legal-tender" statement in the quote. It's partly correct, these coins (just like those Russian rubles) are legal tender coins AS LONG AS they are not altered. So they are no longer legal tender the moment they were enameled (because this is done by a private organisation and NOT commissioned by any official authority).
Essor Prof
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Posted: 10-Feb-2021, 12:29PM
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Posted: 10-Feb-2021, 12:29PM
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JoeVinu
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Posted: 10-Feb-2021, 03:44PM
Posted: 10-Feb-2021, 03:44PM
Thank you very much!
Status changed to Solved
(JoeVinu, 10-Feb-2021, 03:44PM)
Steve27
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Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 12:10AM
Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 12:10AM
The correct answer is, these coins become a type of token; however they STILL RETAIN THEIR LEGAL TENDER VALUE!
The following SAE still has a legal tender value of $1 and still has one troy ounce of silver:
nucleus
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Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 01:34PM
Edited: 13-Feb-2021, 01:35PM
Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 01:34PM
Edited: 13-Feb-2021, 01:35PM
buying colored coins (Ireal or fake) is a sin and anyone spending money on them should be purged from numismatics
Essor Prof
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Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 06:45PM
Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 06:45PM
Quote: "Steve27"The correct answer is, these coins become a type of token; however they STILL RETAIN THEIR LEGAL TENDER VALUE!
Are you saying that these coins (
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ELVIS-PRESLEY-Greatest-Concerts-JFK-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-3-Coin-Set-LICENSED/232391488851?hash=item361b9cb553:g:Kz4AAOSwiQ9ZVT-C and
https://www.mysticstamp.com/Products/Coins/M12485/USA/) still are legal tender?
The rules in the USA might be different but here, once coins are altered they are no longer legal tender. The colored 2 euros are no longer legal tender. Numista doesn't even allow them in the "Exonumia" section, let alone in the regular coin catalog because they are considered PMD. If they were still legal tender they even deserve to be in the regular coin catalog. And these are only colored, the enameled coins go even a step further because they even loose one side since this is totally different from the original legal tender coin.
JoeVinu
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Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 06:56PM
Posted: 13-Feb-2021, 06:56PM
Truly valuable information. I was just wondering why these coins were not in numista. Many thanks to Essor for the effort every thing in detail
Essor Prof
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Posted: 14-Feb-2021, 02:28PM
Posted: 14-Feb-2021, 02:28PM
Quote: "nucleus"buying colored coins (Ireal or fake) is a sin and anyone spending money on them should be purged from numismatics
You don't have to like them, nor to collect or buy them, but at least have an open mind and respect fellow collectors. Narrow minded people should be purged from numismatics.
Somasekar
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Posted: 14-Feb-2021, 03:09PM
Posted: 14-Feb-2021, 03:09PM
Yes source is important
I love antiques
Steve27
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Posted: 19-Feb-2021, 10:23PM
Posted: 19-Feb-2021, 10:23PM
Quote: "Essor Prof"
Quote: "Steve27"The correct answer is, these coins become a type of token; however they STILL RETAIN THEIR LEGAL TENDER VALUE!
Are you saying that these coins (https://www.ebay.com/itm/ELVIS-PRESLEY-Greatest-Concerts-JFK-Kennedy-Half-Dollar-3-Coin-Set-LICENSED/232391488851?hash=item361b9cb553:g:Kz4AAOSwiQ9ZVT-C and https://www.mysticstamp.com/Products/Coins/M12485/USA/) still are legal tender?
The rules in the USA might be different but here, once coins are altered they are no longer legal tender. The colored 2 euros are no longer legal tender. Numista doesn't even allow them in the "Exonumia" section, let alone in the regular coin catalog because they are considered PMD. If they were still legal tender they even deserve to be in the regular coin catalog. And these are only colored, the enameled coins go even a step further because they even loose one side since this is totally different from the original legal tender coin.
Yes, those Kennedy half dollars are still worth 50 cents each; thus, they retain their legal tender status. On this site they should be considered tokens, but that's a different question.
GoldenGarfield
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Posted: 20-Feb-2021, 12:29PM
Posted: 20-Feb-2021, 12:29PM
I know that beauty is subjective and I can’t control what you like and don’t like but in my opinion coloured coins (official or privately made) are just very ugly.
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