Frenchlover
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Posted: 26-Feb-2021, 20:38
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Posted: 26-Feb-2021, 20:38
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No coin issued before independence on 1948
Pound (1948→1980)
• 1000 mils = 1 pound (1948-1949)
• 1000 prutot = 1 pound (1949-1960)
• 100 agorot = 1 pound (after 1960)
But on Numista :
Pound (1927-1948)
Pound / Lira (1952-1960)
Old Shekel / Sheqel (1980-1985)
New Shekel / Sheqel (1986-date)
So:
- why the "pound currency" from 1927 to 1947 ?
- where are coins date 1949 ?
- and those from 1960 to 1980 ?
And
on top of that, some coins are duplicate due to this strange currency ranking : for example :
Two issues of "100 Prutah 5709;5715 (1949;1955)" are obviously from the
same coin type , with the same KM# number, but get two different entries in the coin database :
- one with the
Pound (1927-1948) for 1949
- the other with the
Pound / Lira (1952-1960) for 1955
Duplicate coin due to odd currencies classification ...
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Essor Prof
Joined: 13-Apr-2015
Posts: 3784
Posted: 26-Feb-2021, 21:46
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Posted: 26-Feb-2021, 21:46
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The currencies here on Numista have been changed at some point. In this forum thread you can see how it once was (apparently the first Pound was the Palestina Pound, the second the Israel Pound):
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic63533.html
In my opinion, it's not a good idea to separate the same KM# number over two currencies.
Frenchlover
Joined: 16-Jul-2013
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Posted: 27-Feb-2021, 11:28
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Posted: 27-Feb-2021, 11:28
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Quote: "Essor Prof"In my opinion, it's not a good idea to separate the same KM# number over two currencies.
Same problem for KM# 13.1
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ceh2019
Joined: 4-Jan-2019
Posts: 2415
Posted: 27-Feb-2021, 12:04
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Posted: 27-Feb-2021, 12:04
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We discussed this a few months ago but it still doesn't seem to have been fixed.
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic95387.html
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
oynbcn
Joined: 21-Sep-2014
Posts: 990
Posted: 27-Feb-2021, 12:10
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Posted: 27-Feb-2021, 12:10
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Hi, totally agree with you...
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Banknote referee for: Spain and Andorra
stratocaster
Joined: 30-Aug-2019
Posts: 2824
Posted: 15-May-2021, 08:32
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 08:32
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Hello
Quote: "Frenchlover"- why the "pound currency" from 1927 to 1947 ?
This currency does not exist in the database. The coins of Israel are currently misusing the currency of British Palestine. It is not possible to assign this currency to Israeli coins anymore, but the ones that have it already, need to be manually reassigned.
Quote: "Frenchlover"- where are coins date 1949 ?
There is a currency for 1949-1952, but no coins currently use it. But if you try to change a coin, you will see the option to select it.
Quote: "Frenchlover"- and those from 1960 to 1980 ?
As above, there is a currency for 1960-1980, just not used. The difference being that pre-1960 there were 1000 prutot to the pound, and after 1960 there were 100 agorot to the pound.
Quote: "Frenchlover"Duplicate coin due to odd currencies classification ...
Indeed, coins should not be split due to the currency, they should stay together in the currency in which they were first issued.
I will close this ticket because I don't see anything that needs to be changed in the database. It seems to be just a case of assigning coins to the appropriate currencies. But let me know otherwise
Status changed to Rejected
(stratocaster, 15-May-2021, 08:32)
oynbcn
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:11
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:11
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Hello everyone, then we must consider something like this valid?
It does not make sense that the title says 1952-1960 and includes coins that go up to 1980, in addition, it is wrong, the Pound circulated until 1980.
I think the title should say "Pound (1952-1980)" which is the correct period in which this monetary unit existed, and in the subdivision it should say that from 1960 to 1980 the subdivision was 1 Pound = 100 Agorot
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stratocaster
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:25
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:25
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Quote: "oynbcn"Hello everyone, then we must consider something like this valid?
No, the 1 Agora should be moved to Pound (1960-1980)
Quote: "oynbcn"I think the title should say "Pound (1952-1980)"
This is also possible, but also not ideal, because the agora was only introduced in 1960.
I think either way is not perfect. In the future, there will hopefully be an update to the database so we can be more precise.
oynbcn
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:53
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:53
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Ok, sorry, I did not understand that the period from 1960 to 1980 already existed, not seeing it in the table. I am creating a modification request for the coins of this period, so that they are included in it.
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ceh2019
Joined: 4-Jan-2019
Posts: 2415
Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:58
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 11:58
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So, these are the currencies currently available.
Requsts are being made to move everything after 1960 to "Pound (1960-1980)". Thanks.
However, we still need to look at the earlier currencies. The split in 1949 is the switchover from mil to prutah, the split in 1952 is the dropping of the word "Palestine" from the banknotes. The first one applied to both coins and notes but the second only applied to the notes. I'm not sure dropping the word "Palestine" is sufficient to warrant a separate currency (best to include it in the title for each note, though), so can I request "Palestine Pound (1949-1952)" be merged with "Pound (1952-1960)" to become
"Pound (1949-1960)"?
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Essor Prof
Joined: 13-Apr-2015
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 15:14
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Posted: 15-May-2021, 15:14
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Quote: "ceh2019"so can I request "Palestine Pound (1949-1952)" be merged with "Pound (1952-1960)" to become "Pound (1949-1960)"?
Yes! Dividing the same coin types between two different currencies is just absurd.
ceh2019
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Posted: 16-May-2021, 21:49
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Posted: 16-May-2021, 21:49
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Has anyone contacted the
referee for Israel about this?
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JRo69
Joined: 9-Jul-2015
Posts: 936
Posted: 17-May-2021, 02:06
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Posted: 17-May-2021, 02:06
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Quote: "Essor Prof"
Quote: "ceh2019"so can I request "Palestine Pound (1949-1952)" be merged with "Pound (1952-1960)" to become "Pound (1949-1960)"?
Yes! Dividing the same coin types between two different currencies is just absurd.
Instead of Pound (1949-60), it should be Pound (1949-80) as the late series coins are already in the 1949-60 set.
ceh2019
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Posted: 17-May-2021, 10:23
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Posted: 17-May-2021, 10:23
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No, we need to split the pound in 1960 because it was divided into 1000 prutah until 1960, then into 100 agorah afterwards.
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JRo69
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Posted: 17-May-2021, 15:11
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Posted: 17-May-2021, 15:11
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Quote: "ceh2019"No, we need to split the pound in 1960 because it was divided into 1000 prutah until 1960, then into 100 agorah afterwards.
You're right. We did that with the Egyptian pound, so no reason go against that with the Israeli Pound.
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