2CC€ France 2016 - Error, variety, counterfeit or what?

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While making some upgrades in my euro collection, I found some interesting features on a double 2CC€ from France.

First of all, although the coin has no luster, its seems quite "new", there is nothing fuzzy but compared with the example in my collection it has half of the details, for instance look to the eyes:


Another thing is that in the center, in both sides are clearly visible concentric circles. In the portrait side only in the space for the lettrering and the clothes; in the value side is present everywhere except on the map. Related to the map is clearly not so rised compared to my other example.
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Also the rim is different! Loock to thoose 2's, they are clearly different and also the stars are not the same thing.


Last thing, it weights arround 8.1gr - 8.2gr instead of 8.5gr

Did I found "something"?
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There is a possibility that it has been soaked in some kind of cleaning fluid because it has that bleached look.
I would lean toward a counterfeit. Just tons of differences between the two. The way the 2 crosses where the metals meet is off. One has the O entirely outside the center and one doesn't. The edge numbers are different as you say. The font used in RF is different between the two. The way EURO is stamped over the map is not consistent-the E goes into the Mediterranean in one but is still inside the French border on the other, not to mention EURO on the right coin is much thicker and bolder lettering. The distance between the 2 and where the two metals meet is different.

Seems like two many differences to me to be an error
Quote: "Worldwide collection"​There is a possibility that it has been soaked in some kind of cleaning fluid because it has that bleached look.
​And by soaking in some kind of cleaning fluid the shape of the "2's" on the edge changed?
Topic moved to "Numismatic questions" (ZacUK, 30-Apr-2021, 08:12PM)
I would agree it is a counterfeit.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Quote: "Worldwide collection"​There is a possibility that it has been soaked in some kind of cleaning fluid because it has that bleached look.
​Why, show examples prooving you assumption, please?
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "Mr. Midnight"​I would agree it is a counterfeit.
​I'll back that up.
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "Sjoelund"
Quote: "Mr. Midnight"​I would agree it is a counterfeit.
​​I'll back that up.
​Not to second guess anyone, but why counterfeit a recent face value only coin? Seems like a lot of energy to invest for a low return. Is that type of counterfeiting common in the EU?
Quote: "rsirian1"​​Not to second guess anyone, but why counterfeit a recent face value only coin? Seems like a lot of energy to invest for a low return. Is that type of counterfeiting common in the EU?

Look at it any other way, what else could it be?​
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
It's worth more than a round one pound coin and those were counterfeited out of existence. If you can produce at a big enough scale it could definitely be worth it.
Tovarich had some good points too that I missed.

I totally agree with rsirian1 but seltsamesammler has a good point though.

Will try to make new photos tomorrow. Bokeh is nice for having fun making photos but not good to make a comparation.
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The Chinese fake rice and eggs if you can make 1ct profit it seems to be worth to them.
Quote: "Essor Prof"
Quote: "Worldwide collection"​There is a possibility that it has been soaked in some kind of cleaning fluid because it has that bleached look.
​​And by soaking in some kind of cleaning fluid the shape of the "2's" on the edge changed?
​I was focusing mainly on the obverse and reverse of the coin it might be a bleached/cleaned/disinfected counterfeit 2 Euro coin.
Quote: "Sjoelund"
Quote: "Worldwide collection"​There is a possibility that it has been soaked in some kind of cleaning fluid because it has that bleached look.
​​Why, show examples prooving you assumption, please?
From my perspective that normally happens when the coin is exposed to chemicals that destroy the coin such as Bleach, rubbing alcohol or buried near the sea.

I think I have a coin with that look I will look for it and post the scan meanwhile here are the “bleached look” images I’ve found on the World Wide Web.


Not a good example but JFK’s face has that “bleached”look.

Here is a link to one of the Euro coin hunts that I watch but focus on the coins quite a few have that bleached look.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2TOFXE7Hhg

For example bleaching causes it to go to a dull greyish colour.

I will post more photos.
Quote: "Worldwide collection"​​Here is a link to one of the Euro coin hunts that I watch but focus on the coins quite a few have that bleached look.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2TOFXE7Hhg

​May I ask why you watch these kind of movies? What's the purpose of it, do yo think you can learn something of it? To me it's just a waste of time. Concerning the "bleached" look, I think you just have too much fantasy.
Quote: "Idolenz"​The Chinese fake rice and eggs if you can make 1ct profit it seems to be worth to them.
​this.
Chinese fake 2 euro coins are well known.
they can make them for 20 cents, so 1.80 is a good profit.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Quote: "Worldwide collection"
Quote: "Sjoelund"

Quote: "Worldwide collection"​There is a possibility that it has been soaked in some kind of cleaning fluid because it has that bleached look.
​​​Why, show examples prooving you assumption, please?
​From my perspective that normally happens when the coin is exposed to chemicals that destroy the coin such as Bleach, rubbing alcohol or buried near the sea.

​I think I have a coin with that look I will look for it and post the scan meanwhile here are the “bleached look” images I’ve found on the World Wide Web.


​Not a good example but JFK’s face has that “bleached”look.

​Here is a link to one of the Euro coin hunts that I watch but focus on the coins quite a few have that bleached look.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2TOFXE7Hhg

​For example bleaching causes it to go to a dull greyish colour.

​I will post more photos.
​Please, stop arguing for a lost cause.
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "Sjoelund"
​​Please, stop arguing for a lost cause.
​So what is the proper name for that kind of damage? Plus I was just showing my unbiased view of the damage of the obverse, reverse of the counterfeit coin.0:)
Shanghai mint


fake
This looks to be fake. Some apparent signs are:

Obverse
- stars do not have the same angled/tapered edges
- letter Ç is incorrect (shown as C)
- detail not nearly as fine, looks flat (especially around eyes)
- circular lines on the coin's centre

Reverse
- bottom-right end of number 2 is noticeably fatter
- text EURO too bold
- O in EURO too close to rim
- engraver's signature LL not at the same angle
- same circular lines on the centre of the coin

Edge
- number 2 completely different
- stars wrong size

This is not an error. With all these pointed out, there is no way this is a genuine coin.
Although this mystery is practically solved, I added the new photos I promised just in case you want to look it in a better shape.

Another thing we didnt coment till now is the ring in his finger, its missing in the fake one.

Edit.: and even the stars around Euro probably are a bit bigger.
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Quote: "klei92"​Although this mystery is practically solved, I added the new photos I promised just in case you want to look it in a better shape.

​Another thing we didnt coment till now is the ring in his finger, its missing in the fake one.

​Edit.: and even the stars around Euro probably are a bit bigger.
​and I think you should publish it. Feel free to use this image



by the way the stars are the same size in my opinion:

True coin

Counterfeit coin (notice the concentric circles again)
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "klei92"​Another thing we didnt coment till now is the ring in his finger, its missing in the fake one.


​Doh! That is too funny. Right now there is some master counterfeiter yelling at an apprentice, "You idiot! How could you be so stupid!"
Quote: "rsirian1"
Quote: "klei92"​​Another thing we didnt coment till now is the ring in his finger, its missing in the fake one.
​​

​​Doh! That is too funny. Right now there is some master counterfeiter yelling at an apprentice, "You idiot! How could you be so stupid!"
​yes, Sir, most probably. I would think though, that the concentric circles are easier to see?
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

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