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Ok so my idea is simple...someone needs to put Numista on Wikipedia.
Colnect is, Numista must be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colnect
Quote: kommodoreOk so my idea is simple...someone needs to put Numista on Wikipedia.
Colnect is, Numista must be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colnect
I am actually in the process of doing that  (8
Aha merci beaucoup!

Yeah, why isn't there an article on Wikipedia. Besides, we are ten times better than Colnect, truth be told.
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I submitted the article and Wikipedia wouldn't publish it.
Quote: dptashnyI submitted the article and Wikipedia wouldn't publish it.
That's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.  
Quote: CeruleanThat's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.
Ha!
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Quote: CeruleanThat's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.
Ha!
It's not like Numisdoc, but basically you have to check it over yourself for a whole list of things, and it wouldn't allow me to write the article because it would be advertising or unencyclopedistic or something like that.
Weird..BMW and AUDI and all of that aren't advertising?
Quote: kommodoreWeird..BMW and AUDI and all of that aren't advertising?
True, it is strange. Anyhow, Numista rules anyway (with or without a Wikipedia page)!
Yes but a little bit more users will do good.
Quote: Cerulean
Quote: dptashnyI submitted the article and Wikipedia wouldn't publish it.
That's not how Wikipedia works.  Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.
yes, why don't you try it?
obviously you haven't submitted it yet, it would say so at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista

or post the text that you want to write to the article here in this topic, then we could make it better before someone posts it to Wikipedia so that it wouldn't be deleted before anyone notices :o
It's still not there yet...
Hopefully someday.

SRL
Wikipedia already uses Numista as a source in various articles.
Maybe they refused to publish the article because it was written like a piece of self promotion? To give the Numista article an air of seriousness, references to variety of independent sources would be an advantage. For example, something like this article.
(P.S.: offtopic: same name Numista is used by a Greek coin shop and a Czech firm apparently not related to numismatics.)
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I made a Wikipedia account not too long ago. I might try and see if I can add a page for Numista.
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Well, here is the deal with Wikipedia, if you want to write an article on Numista you would have to use independent third party sources that name Numista as their primary subject, or as a big part of the story, and those sources can't be connected with Numista (because that would be considered non-neutral).
I know that the owner of the website CoinQuest uses Numista a lot, but I'm not sure if he ever directly references it. Maybe we can arrange that! :°
Well this is for the beginning.

Numista
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Numista

Type of site Online coin catalog and personal collection management
Owner Numista, private
Created by so-and-so
Website https://en.numista.com
Registration free registration is optional
Current status Active


Numista is a website containing coin catalog. It allows collectors to manage their personal collection using this catalog and automatically match their swap/wish-lists with those of other collectors.
Alexander from Cyprus
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My suggestions https://t.me/enjoyyourcollection
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​Your work? :`
Seems like it was deemed as not relevant enough :°
Hm. Luckily I only spent an hour on that.

Can somebody give me third party articles that talk about Numista?

Also, has Numista got any awards yet?

Thanks,
SRL
In Wikipedia it is all about the presentation, not about the importance of your information...
Quote: "SquareRootLolly"
​Can somebody give me third party articles that talk about Numista?
See my above post.
For some partially relevant material please visit Google Scholar and type "Numista": you will see that even scientific articles sometimes use Numista as their source (whether this speaks in favor of Numista or against articles' scientificity it is for you to decide). Wikipedia uses Numista as source too. (This is only partially relevant because relying on Numista and writing specifically about the site is not the same thing.)
More to the point:
  1. "Numista the right place for British India Coin Swappers" http://british-india-coins-guide.blogspot.lt/2011/12/
  2. A coin shop has a section titled "How to recognize an unknown coin?", where Numista is recommended as a source.
  3. "Numista On Line Catalog. Great site which has an extensive coin Ctalog [sic] and excellent Forum" http://coinswap.co.uk/Numismatic-links.asp
  4. "an amazing numismatic website" https://mihajlonesic.github.io/numisweb/
  5. "help to educate coin collectors, swap coins and create you own inventory" [maybe "helps" was intended?] http://www.chiefacoins.com/Dealers.htm
  6. Numista API could be mentioned, because it is a third party product.
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The Blind Coin Collector has some nice words about Numista here: http://blindcoincollector.com/2017/11/17/variants-in-coins/

Numista also appeared on French TV "M6" in 2011, in a programme called "Zone interdite : Les inédits de l'été - Les aventuriers de la chasse au trésor", although the programme didn't mention Numista :°.
https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic4039.html
Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​removed already?
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Amer Salmeh
Quote: "AmerSalmeh"
Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​​removed already?
Unfortunately, yes. We need to have some sources of notability, like being the largest coin catalogue on the internet. We need third-party views.
Quote: "SquareRootLolly"
Quote: "AmerSalmeh"

Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​​​removed already?
​Unfortunately, yes. We need to have some sources of notability, like being the largest coin catalogue on the internet. We need third-party views.
​Sad! :(

Are we really the largest online coin catalogue? I thought we might be, but wasn't sure.

EDIT: Checked Colnect, we have more than they do.
Well, they have slightly more coins, and we have a lot more tokens. Counted together, they are 1000 ahead. Still, we have a lot more older coins in the catalogue, and they list much more modern commemoratives. I guess it is easier for them, when they disregard copyright.
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Quote: "Jarcek"​Well, they have slightly more coins, and we have a lot more tokens. Counted together, they are 1000 ahead. Still, we have a lot more older coins in the catalogue, and they list much more modern commemoratives. I guess it is easier for them, when they disregard copyright.
​Ah, counting tokens, that explains the difference.

To be honest, I've used Colnect a few times as a tick list myself to see if any modern commemoratives from the CFA Franc countries are missing from Numista's listings.
Quote: "Jarcek"​Well, they have slightly more coins, and we have a lot more tokens. Counted together, they are 1000 ahead. Still, we have a lot more older coins in the catalogue, and they list much more modern commemoratives. I guess it is easier for them, when they disregard copyright.
​Colnect is a bit more loose than Numista with adding new pages for variants, so this adds quite a lot to the total of coins. I also know that there this one guy on Colnect that went through the whole SCWC and added all the listings that were missing from all countries, copying pictures and all the different variants without cross checking with other catalogues.

So, in my mind we still are the largest online catalogue, whatever the numbers say. :)
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I'll soon add a hundred for Vietnam, if that can help.
100 Vietnam pages will surely help.

I did not know how colnect does varieties, I never looked there on how they list coins.

They list a lot of exonumia alongside normal coins also.
Catalogue administrator
Quote: "Jarcek"​They list a lot of exonumia alongside normal coins also.
​Can confirm, I've often had to sort through the junk there.
Quote: "Jarcek"​100 Vietnam pages will surely help.

​I did not know how colnect does varieties, I never looked there on how they list coins.

​They list a lot of exonumia alongside normal coins also.
Will try my best!
Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
Quote: "Southern"​Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
​please refer to the comments above first ..
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Quote: "AmerSalmeh"
Quote: "Southern"​Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
​​please refer to the comments above first ..
​Maybe it'll be 3rd time lucky? :°
Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "AmerSalmeh"

Quote: "Southern"​Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
​​​please refer to the comments above first ..
​​Maybe it'll be 3rd time lucky? :°
No luck needed, just need to know the rules. However, deletion of the article is unfortunate, it will make the job harder. People who patrol new articles on Wikipedia might not know much about the topic of Numismatics, so they do a simple internet search to see if any reliable sources wrote about the subject before, or whether the subject is widely known. It's necessary because every day thousands of websites created and people do try to get popularity and credibility by creating an article on Wikipedia for their resource. In order to avoid deletion even fake buzz is created on the web in order to satisfy the '3rd party verifiable' rule, that's why sources must be reliable.
Numista, however, is unique. It is rather 'Encyclopædia Britannica' of world coinage, and encyclopedias don't create much buzz these days. Problem is, now we have to deal with an admin who might be stubborn enough not to allow an article to exist, since really, seems like there is not much serious coverage of 'numista.com' on the internet.
Quote: "Southern"​... since really, seems like there is not much serious coverage of 'numista.com' on the internet.

Someone who is with an unknown coin for him in hand will seek to identify him on the web z|
chances are he'll find Google-Pictures ... the quality of our pictures will be :wiz:
BOINC
@Southern I hope you're right... I would love to see a Numista WIkipedia page myself.
Quote: "CassTaylor"​@Southern I hope you're right... I would love to see a Numista WIkipedia page myself.
It's there already, feel free to add additional info. The page itself has been approved by reviewer (aka wikipedia moderator), so hopefully won't be nominated on deletion anymore.
Gotcha!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Gotcha!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
And it's already being nominated for deletion, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Numista

however if someone knows plenty of independent reliable sources that mention Numista then this article can stay. These sources cannot be Numista or something associated with Numista and these "Articles for Deletion" discussions are not a vote, so if someone wants to save this article on Wikipedia they need to provide independent sources that mention this website.
We get a mention and a link to the website on this page, don't know much about this sort of thing, so don't know if this will help:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/world-coins/2016/07/weak-hubbing-difficult-to-explain-collectors-clearinghouse.all.html

"According to Numista's website, five foreign mints were used to produce these coins at various times."
We also get mentioned on this page also:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/945707/ebay-coins-rare-pound-coin-two-2-value-gibraltar

"According to the Numista website, the Gibraltar Hercules and Cretain Bull coin was designed by engraver and British sculptor Ian Rank-Broadley."
Here also, but I have no idea what this page says :D our pictures have been used and referenced:

https://elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/433699/Nekruglye_monety_postoyannogo_diametra
And we get a mention in this BOOK!

https://books.google.cz/books?hl=en&lr=&id=-8aMDAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PR4&dq=Numista&ots=RYVACC51ao&sig=D6a3Ot52OIsbI0gT0p7mwJkrfQY&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Numista&f=false

If someone is able to add this on wiki page, I would be glad, since I dont know how to do it myself.
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Quote: "Jarcek"​I dont know how to do it myself.
​Me neither unfortunately :(
And cited in this work: (pdf) http://q-mag.org/_media/gunnar-charlemagne-correct-place-in-history-032914.pdf
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Quote: "Trung Quoc Don"
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Gotcha!
​​https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista

​And it's already being nominated for deletion, see:




This is what I mentioned earlier. Now reviewer who deleted the article earlier, trying to prove that he was 'correct'. At least now it's not a quick deletion and up for discussion. Whether to delete an article or not will be decided based on people's thoughts does article is 'important' enough to stay.
Quote: "pcarey2003"​Here also, but I have no idea what this page says :D our pictures have been used and referenced:

https://elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/433699/Nekruglye_monety_postoyannogo_diametra
​And here (link with Indian Railways mascot - the link at the bottom of the page (External links)refers to a Numista page)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bholu_(mascot)
Hear, hear... no offence but Colnect is nominated for deletion! Yahoo!
To be fair, I have never understood how Colnect qualified if Numista didn't.
Maybe because of this comment on Numista deletion page...:

"Comment"-Colnect, which could be considered a similar website, has 17 refences, out of which 10 are links on Colnect itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.135.98.203 (talk) 16:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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and it's deleted, again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Numista
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Quote: "AmerSalmeh"​and it's deleted, again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Numista
Don't worry, it'll be back up in the future. I'll work on it when I'll have the time to look for more sources.​
i think we all need to start our own blog, where we time to time mention and refernce to numista ;)

if anyone here is writing numismatic blogs, just mention numista as the best way to identify, and store, your collection, or easiest catalogue to use online etc.. :wiz:
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Quote: "ngdawa"​i think we all need to start our own blog, where we time to time mention and refernce to numista ;)

​if anyone here is writing numismatic blogs, just mention numista as the best way to identify, and store, your collection, or easiest catalogue to use online etc.. :wiz:
​If only I had the energy....
Numista needs to create buzz. People on Reddit r/coins always refer people to Numista when someone asks for coin identification, but the problem is no one writes about Numista and Numista barely mentioned elsewhere on the Internet. I suggest this usage statistics, which usually gets posted as a topic on the forum, should go in some sort of "press release", similar to what like companies do. Another useful thing is to start adding more background info about coins like a bit of history or interesting facts, this will help other websites or news sources to cite Numista as a source of the information. Values will help a lot, once people will start referring to Numista for their coin values, it should create a fair amount of buzz.
https://en.everybodywiki.com/Numista this is an article
Quote: "Parikhit"https://en.everybodywiki.com/Numista this is an article
​It seems to have alot of copy-paste from the Colnect article on Wikipedia. Especialcially when you come to "See also" where Numista has one(!!) of the seven features listed.

The article seems rough and I get the feel that it is written for those who already are members. It might be difficult for an outsider to understan what's good about Numista, how the site works, and why Numista should be prefered over Colnect. And could someone explain to me what this means: "Numista is one of the major sources of circulated currency and collectible coin values. It also serves as a numismatic index for coin rarity based on the market availability."?

I reckon it's a good start, but the article needs some more work and needs to be more general. Maybe I can find time to write a draft for an article. At least there are some links that could be useful.
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Quote: "ngdawa"​=1emand why Numista should be prefered over Colnect.
Agreed with the rest of your post, but this might be a little bit too on the nose, imagine if Apple's Wikipedia page had a section about why they're better than Samsung!
Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "ngdawa"​=1emand why Numista should be prefered over Colnect.
​Agreed with the rest of your post, but this might be a little bit too on the nose, imagine if Apple's Wikipedia page had a section about why they're better than Samsung!
​Hehe, I didn't mean it like "Numista is the best, Colnect sucks!". More that the article really emphasise the good strong features of Numista, like the detailed catalogue, the amount of varieties listed, user friendly catalogues, that the catalogues' are updated and edited daily, etc.
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It is a little rough, ad will need some work, but here's how far I've come so far (I found an aricle on an equivalent website to Wikipedia so I used that article as a basis for this one).

Here it goes:

Numista is a website containing detailed catalogues of coins, tokens and exonumia. The website is run by its founder, Xavier Rougé, and by volounteers called "Referees". Each catalogue has a referee, who is a volunteering member of the community. The catalogues are being updated and edited daily, and members of the community are providing the catalogues with pictures and information about the coin/token/medal. The website allows collectors to manage their personal collection using the catalog by data input and subsequently matches their swap/wish-lists with other collectors automatically. The Numista catalogues contains of 137,760 coins from almost 300 countries and territories. The Token catalogue contain 25,515 tokens, and the Exonumia catalogue cointains of 11,126 medals, bullion coins, and fantasy issues.

Due to a copyright fued in 2011 with the British wesite Tax Free Gold, Numista has taken drastically efforts to only use pictures that has been created by phorographs of the members' own coins, and several renowned auction houses have given their rights to Numista to use their pictures as references in the catalogue. Each coin in copyright protectect, either by a member or one of the many auction houses and numismatic websites that has given their permission to Numista to use their pictures, and thus using the pictures from the website without getting permission from the owner and the Numita team is violating the copyright law.

Features
The Numista website is free for use, and no premium or other other features you'll have to pay for are available on the website. The catalogues are reated by the users, and all additions are validated by the catalogue editors – called referee. These referees are, like everyone else, regular users with no extra advantages.
Each member can add their own collection to their profile, and also mark which cons you would like to swap. These coins will create a seperate list – a swap list, which can me matched with other users' swap lists. The swap lists are matched with your own collection, and you can easily see which oins you already have, and which coins you have marked in your Most Wated List. When you are about to start a swap, a seperate commnication will be available for the two parties who are about to do a swap.
On Numista there are also Numisdocs, which are numismatic documents written by members who are experts of the subject. It could be how to grade you coins, about modern fakes, and tips and tricks for collecting coins from a certain country. These document helps both the curious beginner and the experienced expert.

History
Numista was created in March 2007 by Xavier Rogé as Cypraea. It was originally created based on a world coin catalog but it has expanded since then due to the growing community. The resource is currently maintained by its founder Xavier with the assistance of voluntary, registered users who contribute to Numista's catalog of world coins by correction and addition of data.

In 2011, the British website Tax Free Gold accused Numista of copyright infringement for not attributing the proper source of coin images. However, this was resolved in January 2011 after Numista began adding copyright notices that link to Tax Free Gold.

On January 28 of the same year, the website announced it had reached a total of 2,000 registered coins listed on the catalog. According to Xavier Rogé, the name of the website was altered to Numista to commemorate the milestone. The name has remained unchanged since then. Two months later, a forum for discussion was added to the site as part of the expansion.

On March 26, 2011, Numista launched a new section of the website named Numisdoc "aimed to gather knowledge on numistic [sic; numismatic] knowledge and create user guides for Numista by the creation of articles" in accordance with the message of its founder Xavier.

In 2018, Numista introduced a function that computes an approximate market value of coins. Median values of each particular coin date and grade are based on 'coin purchase price' provided by website users.

On January 24 2019, "Numista Robot" was implented to make the catalogue more consistent in how shapes and metals are labeled.

In January/February, Numista introduced a new way to show value for coins, and that was to connect a specific year of issue with final price on auctions.

Statistics
Numista reports to have 98,826 member from all over the globe. There are currently 53 Numisdocs on the website, and The website is available in two languages, French and English.


Like I said, it needs a lot of work, but at least it's a start. The biggest issue is the third party articles, I think. :|
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Quote: "ngdawa"​It is a little rough, ad will need some work, but here's how far I've come so far (I found an aricle on an equivalent website to Wikipedia so I used that article as a basis for this one).



Looks pretty good to me!

Could you link the article you based this one off?

Also kudos for finally cropping your profile picture coin! :P
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Looks pretty good to me!

​Could you link the article you based this one off?
Cheers! :D
I basically stole this one and modified it a little: https://en.everybodywiki.com/Numista this is an article
Quote: "CassTaylor"Also kudos for finally cropping your profile picture coin! :P
​hahah! :P:O
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No idea why they have a link to all those different -philys in the See Also section.... maybe they confused us with Colnect there? :°
Is this something we are still aiming for, or are we happy to spread the word through social media and sharing our links in coin forums, instead of the usual ucoin and colnect links? :wiz:
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