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kommodore
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Ok so my idea is simple...someone needs to put Numista on Wikipedia.
Colnect is, Numista must be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colnect
dptashny
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Quote: kommodoreOk so my idea is simple...someone needs to put Numista on Wikipedia.
Colnect is, Numista must be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colnect
I am actually in the process of doing that  (8
KennyG
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Aha merci beaucoup!

Yeah, why isn't there an article on Wikipedia. Besides, we are ten times better than Colnect, truth be told.
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kommodore
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Not yet?
dptashny
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I submitted the article and Wikipedia wouldn't publish it.
Cerulean
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Quote: dptashnyI submitted the article and Wikipedia wouldn't publish it.
That's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.  
KennyG
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Quote: CeruleanThat's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.
Ha!
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dptashny
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Quote: SmartOneKg
Quote: CeruleanThat's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.
Ha!
It's not like Numisdoc, but basically you have to check it over yourself for a whole list of things, and it wouldn't allow me to write the article because it would be advertising or unencyclopedistic or something like that.
kommodore
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Weird..BMW and AUDI and all of that aren't advertising?
dptashny
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Quote: kommodoreWeird..BMW and AUDI and all of that aren't advertising?
True, it is strange. Anyhow, Numista rules anyway (with or without a Wikipedia page)!
kommodore
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Yes but a little bit more users will do good.
androl
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Quote: Cerulean
Quote: dptashnyI submitted the article and Wikipedia wouldn't publish it.
That's not how Wikipedia works.  Wikipedia is not like Numisdoc.
yes, why don't you try it?
obviously you haven't submitted it yet, it would say so at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista

or post the text that you want to write to the article here in this topic, then we could make it better before someone posts it to Wikipedia so that it wouldn't be deleted before anyone notices :o
SquareRootLolly
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It's still not there yet...
Hopefully someday.

SRL
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numinis
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Wikipedia already uses Numista as a source in various articles.
Maybe they refused to publish the article because it was written like a piece of self promotion? To give the Numista article an air of seriousness, references to variety of independent sources would be an advantage. For example, something like this article.
(P.S.: offtopic: same name Numista is used by a Greek coin shop and a Czech firm apparently not related to numismatics.)
Australian Coin Info
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I made a Wikipedia account not too long ago. I might try and see if I can add a page for Numista.
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Trung Quoc Don
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Well, here is the deal with Wikipedia, if you want to write an article on Numista you would have to use independent third party sources that name Numista as their primary subject, or as a big part of the story, and those sources can't be connected with Numista (because that would be considered non-neutral).
nthn
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I know that the owner of the website CoinQuest uses Numista a lot, but I'm not sure if he ever directly references it. Maybe we can arrange that! :°
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cyprusalexander
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Well this is for the beginning.

Numista
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Numista

Type of site Online coin catalog and personal collection management
Owner Numista, private
Created by so-and-so
Website https://en.numista.com
Registration free registration is optional
Current status Active


Numista is a website containing coin catalog. It allows collectors to manage their personal collection using this catalog and automatically match their swap/wish-lists with those of other collectors.
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SquareRootLolly
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​Your work? :`
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Idolenz
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Seems like it was deemed as not relevant enough :°
              
SquareRootLolly
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Hm. Luckily I only spent an hour on that.

Can somebody give me third party articles that talk about Numista?

Also, has Numista got any awards yet?

Thanks,
SRL
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numinis
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In Wikipedia it is all about the presentation, not about the importance of your information...
Quote: "SquareRootLolly"
​Can somebody give me third party articles that talk about Numista?
See my above post.
For some partially relevant material please visit Google Scholar and type "Numista": you will see that even scientific articles sometimes use Numista as their source (whether this speaks in favor of Numista or against articles' scientificity it is for you to decide). Wikipedia uses Numista as source too. (This is only partially relevant because relying on Numista and writing specifically about the site is not the same thing.)
More to the point:
  1. "Numista the right place for British India Coin Swappers" http://british-india-coins-guide.blogspot.lt/2011/12/
  2. A coin shop has a section titled "How to recognize an unknown coin?", where Numista is recommended as a source.
  3. "Numista On Line Catalog. Great site which has an extensive coin Ctalog [sic] and excellent Forum" http://coinswap.co.uk/Numismatic-links.asp
  4. "an amazing numismatic website" https://mihajlonesic.github.io/numisweb/
  5. "help to educate coin collectors, swap coins and create you own inventory" [maybe "helps" was intended?] http://www.chiefacoins.com/Dealers.htm
  6. Numista API could be mentioned, because it is a third party product.
Xavier Site admin
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The Blind Coin Collector has some nice words about Numista here: http://blindcoincollector.com/2017/11/17/variants-in-coins/

Numista also appeared on French TV "M6" in 2011, in a programme called "Zone interdite : Les inédits de l'été - Les aventuriers de la chasse au trésor", although the programme didn't mention Numista :°.
https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic4039.html
AmerSalmeh Numista team
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Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​removed already?
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SquareRootLolly
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Quote: "AmerSalmeh"
Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​​removed already?
Unfortunately, yes. We need to have some sources of notability, like being the largest coin catalogue on the internet. We need third-party views.
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "SquareRootLolly"
Quote: "AmerSalmeh"

Quote: "SquareRootLolly"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
​​​removed already?
​Unfortunately, yes. We need to have some sources of notability, like being the largest coin catalogue on the internet. We need third-party views.
​Sad! :(

Are we really the largest online coin catalogue? I thought we might be, but wasn't sure.

EDIT: Checked Colnect, we have more than they do.
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Jarcek Numista team
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Well, they have slightly more coins, and we have a lot more tokens. Counted together, they are 1000 ahead. Still, we have a lot more older coins in the catalogue, and they list much more modern commemoratives. I guess it is easier for them, when they disregard copyright.
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "Jarcek"​Well, they have slightly more coins, and we have a lot more tokens. Counted together, they are 1000 ahead. Still, we have a lot more older coins in the catalogue, and they list much more modern commemoratives. I guess it is easier for them, when they disregard copyright.
​Ah, counting tokens, that explains the difference.

To be honest, I've used Colnect a few times as a tick list myself to see if any modern commemoratives from the CFA Franc countries are missing from Numista's listings.
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Stavros
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Quote: "Jarcek"​Well, they have slightly more coins, and we have a lot more tokens. Counted together, they are 1000 ahead. Still, we have a lot more older coins in the catalogue, and they list much more modern commemoratives. I guess it is easier for them, when they disregard copyright.
​Colnect is a bit more loose than Numista with adding new pages for variants, so this adds quite a lot to the total of coins. I also know that there this one guy on Colnect that went through the whole SCWC and added all the listings that were missing from all countries, copying pictures and all the different variants without cross checking with other catalogues.

So, in my mind we still are the largest online catalogue, whatever the numbers say. :)
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SquareRootLolly
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I'll soon add a hundred for Vietnam, if that can help.
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Jarcek Numista team
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100 Vietnam pages will surely help.

I did not know how colnect does varieties, I never looked there on how they list coins.

They list a lot of exonumia alongside normal coins also.
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "Jarcek"​They list a lot of exonumia alongside normal coins also.
​Can confirm, I've often had to sort through the junk there.
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SquareRootLolly
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Quote: "Jarcek"​100 Vietnam pages will surely help.

​I did not know how colnect does varieties, I never looked there on how they list coins.

​They list a lot of exonumia alongside normal coins also.
Will try my best!
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Southern
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Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
AmerSalmeh Numista team
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Quote: "Southern"​Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
​please refer to the comments above first ..
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "AmerSalmeh"
Quote: "Southern"​Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
​​please refer to the comments above first ..
​Maybe it'll be 3rd time lucky? :°
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Southern
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Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "AmerSalmeh"

Quote: "Southern"​Doesn't seem like Numista article (at least on en.wikipedia.org) has been created yet, I will create one if by the time I get back from work it's not there
​​​please refer to the comments above first ..
​​Maybe it'll be 3rd time lucky? :°
No luck needed, just need to know the rules. However, deletion of the article is unfortunate, it will make the job harder. People who patrol new articles on Wikipedia might not know much about the topic of Numismatics, so they do a simple internet search to see if any reliable sources wrote about the subject before, or whether the subject is widely known. It's necessary because every day thousands of websites created and people do try to get popularity and credibility by creating an article on Wikipedia for their resource. In order to avoid deletion even fake buzz is created on the web in order to satisfy the '3rd party verifiable' rule, that's why sources must be reliable.
Numista, however, is unique. It is rather 'Encyclopædia Britannica' of world coinage, and encyclopedias don't create much buzz these days. Problem is, now we have to deal with an admin who might be stubborn enough not to allow an article to exist, since really, seems like there is not much serious coverage of 'numista.com' on the internet.
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Quote: "Southern"​... since really, seems like there is not much serious coverage of 'numista.com' on the internet.

Someone who is with an unknown coin for him in hand will seek to identify him on the web z|
chances are he'll find Google-Pictures ... the quality of our pictures will be :wiz:
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CassTaylor
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@Southern I hope you're right... I would love to see a Numista WIkipedia page myself.
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Southern
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Quote: "CassTaylor"​@Southern I hope you're right... I would love to see a Numista WIkipedia page myself.
It's there already, feel free to add additional info. The page itself has been approved by reviewer (aka wikipedia moderator), so hopefully won't be nominated on deletion anymore.
CassTaylor
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Gotcha!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
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Trung Quoc Don
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Quote: "CassTaylor"​Gotcha!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista
And it's already being nominated for deletion, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Numista

however if someone knows plenty of independent reliable sources that mention Numista then this article can stay. These sources cannot be Numista or something associated with Numista and these "Articles for Deletion" discussions are not a vote, so if someone wants to save this article on Wikipedia they need to provide independent sources that mention this website.
pcarey2003
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We get a mention and a link to the website on this page, don't know much about this sort of thing, so don't know if this will help:

https://www.coinworld.com/news/world-coins/2016/07/weak-hubbing-difficult-to-explain-collectors-clearinghouse.all.html

"According to Numista's website, five foreign mints were used to produce these coins at various times."
pcarey2003
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We also get mentioned on this page also:

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/945707/ebay-coins-rare-pound-coin-two-2-value-gibraltar

"According to the Numista website, the Gibraltar Hercules and Cretain Bull coin was designed by engraver and British sculptor Ian Rank-Broadley."
pcarey2003
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Here also, but I have no idea what this page says :D our pictures have been used and referenced:

https://elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/433699/Nekruglye_monety_postoyannogo_diametra
Jarcek Numista team
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And we get a mention in this BOOK!

https://books.google.cz/books?hl=en&lr=&id=-8aMDAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PR4&dq=Numista&ots=RYVACC51ao&sig=D6a3Ot52OIsbI0gT0p7mwJkrfQY&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Numista&f=false

If someone is able to add this on wiki page, I would be glad, since I dont know how to do it myself.
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pcarey2003
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Quote: "Jarcek"​I dont know how to do it myself.
​Me neither unfortunately :(
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And cited in this work: (pdf) http://q-mag.org/_media/gunnar-charlemagne-correct-place-in-history-032914.pdf
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Southern
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Quote: "Trung Quoc Don"
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Gotcha!
​​https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numista

​And it's already being nominated for deletion, see:




This is what I mentioned earlier. Now reviewer who deleted the article earlier, trying to prove that he was 'correct'. At least now it's not a quick deletion and up for discussion. Whether to delete an article or not will be decided based on people's thoughts does article is 'important' enough to stay.
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Quote: "pcarey2003"​Here also, but I have no idea what this page says :D our pictures have been used and referenced:

https://elementy.ru/nauchno-populyarnaya_biblioteka/433699/Nekruglye_monety_postoyannogo_diametra
​And here (link with Indian Railways mascot - the link at the bottom of the page (External links)refers to a Numista page)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bholu_(mascot)
SquareRootLolly
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Hear, hear... no offence but Colnect is nominated for deletion! Yahoo!
To be fair, I have never understood how Colnect qualified if Numista didn't.
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Jarcek Numista team
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Maybe because of this comment on Numista deletion page...:

"Comment"-Colnect, which could be considered a similar website, has 17 refences, out of which 10 are links on Colnect itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.135.98.203 (talk) 16:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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AmerSalmeh Numista team
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and it's deleted, again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Numista
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Trung Quoc Don
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Quote: "AmerSalmeh"​and it's deleted, again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Numista
Don't worry, it'll be back up in the future. I'll work on it when I'll have the time to look for more sources.​
ngdawa
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i think we all need to start our own blog, where we time to time mention and refernce to numista ;)

if anyone here is writing numismatic blogs, just mention numista as the best way to identify, and store, your collection, or easiest catalogue to use online etc.. :wiz:
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "ngdawa"​i think we all need to start our own blog, where we time to time mention and refernce to numista ;)

​if anyone here is writing numismatic blogs, just mention numista as the best way to identify, and store, your collection, or easiest catalogue to use online etc.. :wiz:
​If only I had the energy....
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Southern
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Numista needs to create buzz. People on Reddit r/coins always refer people to Numista when someone asks for coin identification, but the problem is no one writes about Numista and Numista barely mentioned elsewhere on the Internet. I suggest this usage statistics, which usually gets posted as a topic on the forum, should go in some sort of "press release", similar to what like companies do. Another useful thing is to start adding more background info about coins like a bit of history or interesting facts, this will help other websites or news sources to cite Numista as a source of the information. Values will help a lot, once people will start referring to Numista for their coin values, it should create a fair amount of buzz.
Parikhit
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https://en.everybodywiki.com/Numista this is an article

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