Angola Commemoratives [solved]

Hi,

 I’m looking for some assistance with two Angolan circulating commemorative coins: 10 centavos and 20 centavos, 1948-49 (KM 70 & 71).

Numista and several other sources identify these as commemorative coins, but I don’t see anything in the coins’ design that indicate they are commemorative. I’m hoping someone more knowledgeable can correct me.

Thanks

Tim

Welcome to numista.

Please give us the links for the coins, no use all of us try to find them, OK?

hello,

I suppose that design and mintage qualify these two coins as normal circulating coins. 

SCWC lists the 1948 10, 20 and 50 centavos coins as Subject: 300th Anniversary - Revolution of 1648. Numista only lists the 10 and 20 Centavos as being circulating commemorative coins. Numista lists the 50 centavos as being a standard circulation coin.  All 3 have the same design.  At least make all 3 the same.

Here they are.

I found a 1948 20 centavos graded by NGC on eBay and the NGC holder does not identify it as a commemorative coin. I think this is decent evidence that the 10, 20, and 50 centavos coins in Angola from 1948-49 were standard circulation coins. Anyone disagree?

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=angola+1948&_trksid=p2380057.m4084.l1313

CanuckCollector

I found a 1948 20 centavos graded by NGC on eBay and the NGC holder does not identify it as a commemorative coin. I think this is decent evidence that the 10, 20, and 50 centavos coins in Angola from 1948-49 were standard circulation coins. Anyone disagree?

 

https://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=angola+1948&_trksid=p2380057.m4084.l1313

NGC (essentially SCWC) does list this coin as Subject: 300th Anniversary - Revolution of 1648.  Do they normally put “commemoritive coin” on the holders?

SCWC, seems to agree.

There is no 1648 revolution.
They are standard circulating coins.  

The NUMISTA pages are already corrected.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapture_of_Angola

monge

There is no 1648 revolution.
They are standard circulating coins.  

The NUMISTA pages are already corrected.

A bit fast, I think, wait until all the marbles have been counted.

Idolenz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recapture_of_Angola

As said before the “1648  revolution” does not exists.  The date refers to the Luanda recapure and no coin was ever issued to commemorate the event.  Someone invented this celebration and it was repeated in several catalogues. Reading the law that regulates the issuance of this coin, nothing is said there about any commemoration. 

These Angola coins (10 + 20 + 50 Centavos) are identical in all Portuguese colonies of that period.  Just for example pls see a few ones from my colection:

Angola

Cabo Verde:

India

Mozambique

S.Tomé e Príncipe

Timor

I think monge’s evidence is definitive: if they were circulating commemorative coins, the law issuing them would state as much. Since it doesn’t, they must be standard circulation coins.

Thanks to everyone for your assistance on this.