1935 Great Britain 1 Crown - Position A & Position B

1935 Great Britain 1 Crown

N#10337

It would appear that the Incuse Lettering on this coin comes in two varieties:

Similar to the Belgium 50 Francs that is dated 1935

N#7421

I propose that the listing for this coin be updated to reflect these varieties as follow:

Position A: The edge lettering reads normally when the Obverse side faces up.
Position B: The edge lettering reads upside down when the Obverse side faces up.

It should be noted that they did make a Raise Edge variety of this coin as well thus the possibility exist of a Position A or B  version.

If they are just random (~50:50) then no.

Absolutely. But why do you ask here?  Why not present it to the referee for inclusion to the Numista page?

N#10337

I am curious if anyone else has seen this? Or can collaborate these findings.

In Belgium we don't use obverse and reverse to determine the position of the edge writing but instead:

Value up (which many times is the reverse), edge writing upright.

Value down, edge writing upside down.

If you notice, this is the opposite of what you mention in your post and also opposite of what you read in the comments of the Belgian 50 Francs (comments need to be updated for this one!)

But more on topic: to my knowledge Belgium is the only country that minted some of its coins in such a way that both obverse and reverse AND the edge were struck in one go. This made sure the edge writing was always in the same position. Mistakes were made, but very few, so you have coins with mintages of 95% position A and 5% position B.

Most other countries used a technique that first made the edge of the coin, including any writing. These planchets were the put in large containers to be inserted in the next coining machine to strike the obverse and reverse. This was done in a random way so you never knew if the edge was upright or not when the coin was struck. Thus resulting in about 50% chance of either position.

Looking in my catalog of Belgian coins I notice that for the 50 Francs 1935 you mentioned, numbers are 50% Pos A and 50% Pos B, suggesting these coins were already made like in other parts of the world: first the edge and then obv and rev on a randomly inserted planchet…

Newtony

In Belgium we don't use obverse and reverse to determine the position of the edge writing but instead:

Value up (which many times is the reverse), edge writing upright.

Value down, edge writing upside down.

 

If you notice, this is the opposite of what you mention in your post and also opposite of what you read in the comments of the Belgian 50 Francs (comments need to be updated for this one!)

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic132636.html

It depends which way they enter the minting machine as the edge writing and collar are minted before the obverse and reverse. This is an ongoing situation with new coinage and people try to pass them off as minting errors when in fact up to 50% can have in use writing on the edges. Nothing to see here move on 

As the OP said, we must do some research  to see what the case is in this matter. There are plenty of Numista members who claim to have an example of this coin. Perhaps a PM to each member can solicit a response and we could get a better picture of exactly what we have going on here.

Edit. How about lets not assume and being so dismissive? Move on if you like.  I am seeing all over the internet “edge varieties exist” without much explanation or detail. Very vague and generalized. Is this one of them?. 

harryg

As the OP said, we must do some research  to see what the case is in this matter. There are plenty of Numista members who claim to have an example of this coin. Perhaps a PM to each member can solicit a response and we could get a better picture of exactly what we have going on here.

 

Edit. How about lets not assume and being so dismissive? Move on if you like.  I am seeing all over the internet “edge varieties exist” without much explanation or detail. Very vague and generalized. Is this one of them?. 

I’m not being dismissive just helping the op with fact. 

Show us.

Here is an error that you failed to mention. Do you think a collector of Crowns might be interested in this considering it's value?  The Numista page makes no mention of it either. Perhaps more discussion about varieties and errors are in  order. There are at least several examples like this documented in my very short research. 

https://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=165&searchlot=2543&searchtype=2

harryg

Show us.

 

Here is an error that you failed to mention. Do you think a collector of Crowns might be interested in this considering it's value?  The Numista page makes no mention of it either. Perhaps more discussion about varieties and errors are in  order. There are at least several examples like this documented in my very short research. 

 

https://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=Pastresults&auc=165&searchlot=2543&searchtype=2

 

 

That piece is the raised edge proof pattern which is listed here, complete with error edge year line:

N#324279

Right. So far, lots of chatter. But can anyone show another example of the OP's upside down edge lettering on the 1935 circulating type? You would think with the apparent abundance of them, we would have plenty  of examples of them and we could move on and just dismiss the question as irrelevant.

The 1953 coronation crown also has the same minting anomaly 

I have both versions of this coin just graded by NGC. Photos to follow.

So I went on a famous retail site and found 5 1935 1 Crown coins where the edge photos were provided. Of the 5, 2 were inconclusive because the obverse and reverse were not clearly visible. The 3 that were visible -

Anybody else?