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Portuguese Timor 6 Escudos 1958 fake or badly struck?

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lidianb
Joined: 29-Apr-2011
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Hello all,

swapped this coin here and would like your opinion on it. It looks like a fake to me, or badly struck...Especially the rim is very doubtful...See the pictures and give your opinion. I don't have a scale so no weight yet, diameter and alignment are ok. Once weighed I will give it as well.





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lidianb
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Few more pictures that were too big to uploaded on the first post:



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lidianb
Joined: 29-Apr-2011
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Weight is 7 gr...I'm starting to think it is genuine!
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sujit_kumar
Joined: 11-Jan-2013
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Looks like real but heavily circulated and most likely cleaned?
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Walder Coins
Joined: 20-Apr-2012
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I don't like it check out how the reeding looks so irregular I would not expect that on a real coin. I think you need to check the diameter.
Toupeirinho
Joined: 11-Jan-2012
Posts: 44
Quote: Walder CoinsI don't like it check out how the reeding looks so irregular I would not expect that on a real coin. I think you need to check the diameter.
I've check and double check and I think it not real... sorry
lidianb
Joined: 29-Apr-2011
Posts: 645
Hi all and thanks for the opinions,

yeah the reeding is very bad on the rim...Portugal made some very nice coins since 18 century with perfect rims, and can't do same in 1958?  :)  So I will get it for a fake than, although I would congratulate the forgers on their perfect diameter and weight. The reeding is what makes the decision on this coin.

Toupeirinho, you are from Portugal, did you see many of these fakes, I swapped it from a member from Portugal? I wonder it was forged in the 50`s  or is a fake of our days?
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numis-dec.fr
Joined: 9-Jun-2011
Posts: 174
I have accidentally gone across the topic to find that I have also got the same coin from the same swapper with Lidian. To me it's obviously a fake coin.

I have sent this swapper twice about the problem with this coin but did not hear from him. While thinking him as a good swapper, I hope he will reply to the topic or pm me to explain.

This is the scan of the coin I received.

lidianb
Joined: 29-Apr-2011
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Apparently there are a lot of these 1958 6 Escudos around. Beware Numista members before swapping them here or buying them...

At least ask for a photo before, and be extra careful especially when they come from Portugal...That's where I and numis-dec.fr  got those fake coins!
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neilithic
Joined: 28-Mar-2011
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Quote: numis-dec.frI have accidentally gone across the topic to find that I have also got the same coin from the same swapper with Lidian. To me it's obviously a fake coin.

It certainly looks fake, all that pitting on the metal kind of seals it.
numis-dec.fr
Joined: 9-Jun-2011
Posts: 174
Yes by the scanned image we can also identify it as a fake coin. Just because I had too many negotiations at the time receiving this image so I did not pay enough attention.

It's really sad that the sender now ignore my warning message about this problem. Here, how do you think about appropriate feedback, even I am not really unhappy with the swap.

By the way, do you think one is free from all the responsibility in a swap if he had sent photos/ scans of the coins? With this example, many still accept the coin on viewing it because of their lack of experience. Then even on holding of the coin, maybe they still do not know it is a fake. Only realizing it on asking other friends or doing metal analizing in a jewellery shop.

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paulolobaoruivo
Joined: 30-Oct-2012
Posts: 1
Boa tarde, fui alertado que uma moeda que foi trocado e moeda falsa 6 $ 00 para Timor Leste de 1958. Realmente, só uma vez em uma troca me disse que a moeda poderia ser falsa, eu perguntei amigos aqui e me disse, que eu deveria ser verdade, mas não é uma prata de 100% e é difícil saber.
Acho que as moedas chegaram as mãos deve ter sido em Pietro, mas ele não é culpado de qualquer coisa que eu fiz uma troca com ele, e enviou mais de US $ 6 dos quais deve ter sido o que ele enviou para você.
Estou militar e estive em missão em Timor Leste em 2001 e era mais fácil de comprar moedas e notas nos mercados. e gostava de recolher o trouxe para Portugal.
quero dizer que não sabia se era falso ou verdadeiro, não falsificado se fosse falso estavam há muito tempo, porque eu já comprei em 2001.
Peço desculpas se alguém foi prejudicado por estas trocas não tenho mais para passar e espero não ficar a pensar que não sou uma boa pessoa para mudar, porque eu sou honesto.
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Dutchgalego
Joined: 25-Sep-2011
Posts: 957
Quote: "lidianb"​Hello all,

​swapped this coin here and would like your opinion on it. It looks like a fake to me, or badly struck...Especially the rim is very doubtful...See the pictures and give your opinion. I don't have a scale so no weight yet, diameter and alignment are ok. Once weighed I will give it as well.






​Portuguese colonial coins are always outstanding specialy the silver ones, may you notice some irregularities in the rim that you can be sure that it's fake. Mostly I do buy them in Portugal and need to see them first, before taking them with me. Online swap or buy it's always risky.
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monge
Joined: 17-Jun-2012
Posts: 390
The coin also looks a fake to me.
The coin has a low silver content (~2€) and, the market price for VF in Portugal, is only 5.00 to 6.00 €.
Therefore, the work of casting this coin does not pay the profit.
However there is a story beyond:
Timor became independent from Indonesia in 2002 after 27 years of brutal occupation.
Many people from Portugal and from the United Nations went there to help the peace and the reconstruction of the new country.
The same people also acquired as many Portuguese colonial coins and bank notes as they can.
Knowing that those coins had some value and demand, local silver workers made cast coins.
I knew this story but this is the first one I ever see.
Referee to Old Portuguese colonies

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