Azores km#46 vs Portugal km#664

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Can someone explain the difference between these 2 coins?
Thank you in advance
Quote: monete3Can someone explain the difference between these 2 coins?
Thank you in advance
Links would help to save time searching for the coin, or even a denomination
No difference at all, that is why KM#46 in Azores doesn't exist any more. Krause made a mistake.
Check my doubles. ;)
Yes, this coin has nothing to do with circulation in Azores, only the coin's theme.
There are though two Portuguese coins
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces991.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces907.html
which in 1935 were issued specifically for circulation in Azores, not in continental Portugal, though eventually they could get to the continent also. Finding them in decent grade is a challenge.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
Quote: KunaNo difference at all, that is why KM#46 in Azores doesn't exist any more. Krause made a mistake.
This is what I was thinking of...even if km#46 Azores is still reported in SCWC 2015!
Thank you Kuna
Quote: AndreyYes, this coin has nothing to do with circulation in Azores, only the coin's theme.
There are though two Portuguese coins
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces991.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces907.html
which in 1935 were issued specifically for circulation in Azores, not in continental Portugal, though eventually they could get to the continent also. Finding them in decent grade is a challenge.
Thank you for this additional information!
Quote: AndreyYes, this coin has nothing to do with circulation in Azores, only the coin's theme.
There are though two Portuguese coins
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces991.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces907.html
which in 1935 were issued specifically for circulation in Azores, not in continental Portugal, though eventually they could get to the continent also. Finding them in decent grade is a challenge.
About those 50 centavos and 1 escudo coins (1935), this subject is been repeated by many years but is a lie introduced by a catalog with comercial interests. Don't have any documental source to support it.  ;)
Quote: KunaNo difference at all, that is why KM#46 in Azores doesn't exist any more. Krause made a mistake.
Hi!  :)

Kuna is absolutely right.

All escudo madeirian or azorean coins in krause, is a big mistake. The currency for the islands is the same for continental territory.

This subject was discussed here by many times:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic34196.html
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic30297.html

Regards.  :)
Quote: sferreiraAbout those 50 centavos and 1 escudo coins (1935), this subject is been repeated by many years but is a lie introduced by a catalog with comercial interests. Don't have any documental source to support it.  ;)
I always considered Alberto Gomes catalogue as a very reliable source of information on Portuguese coins.
He explains that these two coins, though belong to the series of continental Portugal, were sent to Azores in 1935 due to lack of small change on the islands.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
Quote: Andrey
Quote: sferreiraAbout those 50 centavos and 1 escudo coins (1935), this subject is been repeated by many years but is a lie introduced by a catalog with comercial interests. Don't have any documental source to support it.  ;)
I always considered Alberto Gomes catalogue as a very reliable source of information on Portuguese coins.
He explains that these two coins, though belong to the series of continental Portugal, were sent to Azores in 1935 due to lack of small change on the islands.
Could be true, but that is not a reason to move these coins from Portugal. It is good, as it is now.
Check my doubles. ;)
Quote: AndreyI always considered Alberto Gomes catalogue as a very reliable source of information on Portuguese coins.
He explains that these two coins, though belong to the series of continental Portugal, were sent to Azores in 1935 due to lack of small change on the islands.
Yes, I absolutely agree!  :D

Those 2 coins wasn't minted exclusively for Azores but they was send to Azores for necessity, a normal procedure. And was there the confusion during many years.
A.G. is the best reference catalogue for portuguese numismatic. I'm talking about other one that has mixed the sentences to "minted in exclusively for Azores" instead of "sent to Azores for supply the coin demand". That is that's wrong and is about it that I'm talking about.

They was minted for all territory like always.

Regards!  :)
error
50 Centavos + 1 Escudo / 1935 to Azores.
This is an error that has lasted too long. The original story (only a story) is that the coins have been minted to Azores and the transport ship has sunk. There is any document in the mint house and no new about a sunken ship to support the story.

Only because of the story, the Portuguese catalogues put the coins in the list of Azorean coins.  Krause just copied them.

Now the real story
Mr. Miguel Trigueiros, a well known numismatic investigator has worked as consulter at the Lisbon Mint House and, during that period, he has studied the problem.  In 1935, they open dies for 50 Centavos and 1 Escudo.
However they had not the necessary money to acquire the disks and the “1 Esc” coin was not made.  Only a 902.100 coins of 50 centavos were issued and again a similar number three years later.

No coins of "1 Esc" were minted in 1935, 1936, 1937 and 1938.   In 1939 they finally got permission to issue "1 Esc" coins.   The dies for 1939 were open but, due to the urgency, they have also used the 1935 dies.  The total emission with 1935+1939 dies is only 304.300 coins and the mint house does not have any reference of the total number of each.  
This is why these two dates are rare.

It's just out of stubbornness that the main Portuguese catalog, Alberto Gomes, still considers these coins as the from Azores.
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Monge,
Thanks for the interesting information.
Now I can exclude 1935 coins from my Azores collection, they were of a poorer quality than I usually keep in the collection anyway, so my Azores pages will only benefit from this :)   
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.

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