Does this Rwandan coin exist?

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It's not listed in Numista

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seal-of-Rwanda-coins-commemorative-coins-commemorative-coins-commemorative-coins/321760298942?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D4286540b302f4e23a036763828c4e6d0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D271888777523&rt=nc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-francs-Rwanda-Emblem-Commemorative-Coin-coins-/271888775872?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4dd57ac0

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Rwanda-20-Franc-Uncirculated-1PCS-/171782419912?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ff07b5c8
Actually it is in Numista https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces63966.html but listed under tokens section. I have no idea why, and I think it should be near other circulating coins.
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Seems to be a fantasy issue. Not circulating and not produced with permission of the Central Bank. There are quite a few of those coins from other African countries, most (or all?) of them produced in China.
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
I think it's in the token section because it hasn't a #KM number yet. Unless someone has more information about it? Dato Mikeladze perhaps?
Let's wait for the future Krause editions to see if it is a real coin or a fantasy. Krause is regularly several years behind.
Quote: KunaActually it is in Numista https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces63966.html but listed under tokens section. I have no idea why, and I think it should be near other circulating coins.
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 As Rwanda use Francs, and not Shillings, its official   logo is RWF, and not  RWS.

So, there is  a quite  real reason to  put it into the token section.

But, as there is no any proof  that  this  one made  in China, or any proof that it may be a fake coin/ token, we can also another, fair opinion, -  that probably there was made a  mistake at  the Mint where this  coins ( 20 RWF)  were  minted.  Because  this coin  made in  large quantity, it has a very nice faces  of both  sides, , nice shape, and  looks like strucked at  quite  good technology Mintplace, at least it looks like better than Sudanese, Indian, and many other coins which were struck at  lefgal Mints.

anyway, - there is only reason -  Rwanda use francs, and not shillings, so it cannot  circulate in Rwanda , so they went to the  tokens here
.  Other - decide yourself :)
as an extra confirmation:
http://news.euoa.net/rwanda-20-shillings-2011-new-fantasy-type-7720.html#
"For by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing"
-Plato
Quote: Lotus07as an extra confirmation:
http://news.euoa.net/rwanda-20-shillings-2011-new-fantasy-type-7720.html#
This is a private blog of David Rivera - he is a good friend of mine, as well as Wolfgang Schuster.   He says  same  -  nobody yet cannot say that these  coins   came from China.   Its just assumption, which is not confirmed by  at least one collector . No matter - are they from China or  somwhere else, - I mean that there is no exact proof that they are fake/fantasy , and not mint errors. Because  all we know  mint errors, which are  more and more imaginable than this S insted of F  .  Today,  when any strange stuff first of all associates with chinese fake,  we even dont want to believe that  maybe they are just mint errors. For example,  if nowdays  we found  Egyptian 10 piastres with UNICFE on it instead of UNICEF, all of us  immediately say - " hah !  Made in China !"  .  Maybe Im too romantic :)  but , again, I dont have  YET any official confirmation about  "fantasy" origins of this coin :)
Quote: Dato Mikeladze
Quote: Lotus07as an extra confirmation:
http://news.euoa.net/rwanda-20-shillings-2011-new-fantasy-type-7720.html#
This is a private blog of David Rivera - he is a good friend of mine, as well as Wolfgang Schuster.   He says  same  -  nobody yet cannot say that these  coins   came from China.   Its just assumption, which is not confirmed by  at least one collector . No matter - are they from China or  somwhere else, - I mean that there is no exact proof that they are fake/fantasy , and not mint errors. Because  all we know  mint errors, which are  more and more imaginable than this S insted of F  .  Today,  when any strange stuff first of all associates with chinese fake,  we even dont want to believe that  maybe they are just mint errors. For example,  if nowdays  we found  Egyptian 10 piastres with UNICFE on it instead of UNICEF, all of us  immediately say - " hah !  Made in China !"  .  Maybe Im too romantic :)  but , again, I dont have  YET any official confirmation about  "fantasy" origins of this coin :)
Yes, but there were also no other Rwandan circulating coins minted in 2011.
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Quote: Dato Mikeladze
Quote: Lotus07as an extra confirmation:
http://news.euoa.net/rwanda-20-shillings-2011-new-fantasy-type-7720.html#
This is a private blog of David Rivera - he is a good friend of mine, as well as Wolfgang Schuster.   He says  same  -  nobody yet cannot say that these  coins   came from China.   Its just assumption, which is not confirmed by  at least one collector . No matter - are they from China or  somwhere else, - I mean that there is no exact proof that they are fake/fantasy , and not mint errors. Because  all we know  mint errors, which are  more and more imaginable than this S insted of F  .  Today,  when any strange stuff first of all associates with chinese fake,  we even dont want to believe that  maybe they are just mint errors. For example,  if nowdays  we found  Egyptian 10 piastres with UNICFE on it instead of UNICEF, all of us  immediately say - " hah !  Made in China !"  .  Maybe Im too romantic :)  but , again, I dont have  YET any official confirmation about  "fantasy" origins of this coin :)
Yes, but there were also no other Rwandan circulating coins minted in 2011.

There is no another, correct type of Egypt  5 piastres, with correct UNICEF as well   ;)
I just looked up Rwanda's current circulation coins and they have quite a lot of details in common with that so-called  counterfeit 20 shilling coin. I also don't see why you would counterfeit such a low denomination coin. Perhaps it is a real coin, but the mint where this coin was minted made some mistakes on the lettering of the coin. I can imagine that since Rwanda is a small country they let their coins struck at a foreign mint. Maybe they changed their regular mint in 2011 for another mint that claimed to be cheaper and as a result they accidently minted coins with the wrong lettering...
"For by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing"
-Plato
Quote: Lotus07I just looked up Rwanda's current circulation coins and they have quite a lot of details in common with that so-called  counterfeit 20 shilling coin. I also don't see why you would counterfeit such a low denomination coin. Perhaps it is a real coin, but the mint where this coin was minted made some mistakes on the lettering of the coin. I can imagine that since Rwanda is a small country they let their coins struck at a foreign mint. Maybe they changed their regular mint in 2011 for another mint that claimed to be cheaper and as a result they accidently minted coins with the wrong lettering...
There are some reasons, and main is  to earn easy money. This "coin" was sold   for $ 4-5  first time, then $3, now - about $ 2. Imagine how much money  the could earn!  Even  in the first month normal circulation   20 RWF couldnot  cost  so much money. $1 - best price, hope you agreee.
Best  example of it - "monkey money" from Madagaskar, gambia,    and so on.  Which were made in China  for 100%, as  Schon  catalog   ( and Schon is very respected source)  says.  They are very low denomination money, but  whole set was sold for $ 30 , and even now,  each coin price is about $ 3 :)



But, while we dont have exact proof that Rwanda coins made in China, all these talks are   just  wind in the field :)
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Even in Africa they won't use a coin with a totally wrong denomination. It could be possible if there was only the error regarding RWF and RWS. But another "error" inventing a totally new name of the currency is absurd. No Central Bank will release a coin with this mistake to circulation in any country. In my opinion it's a clear case.
I'm not orange and also in other things I'm not a Donald at all. DonChori like Don Felipe or Doña María, por favor.
Quote: DonChoriEven in Africa they won't use a coin with a totally wrong denomination. It could be possible if there was only the error regarding RWF and RWS. But another "error" inventing a totally new name of the currency is absurd. No Central Bank will release a coin with this mistake to circulation in any country. In my opinion it's a clear case.
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It seems improbable, but could this coin circulate in Rwanda?
it looks like the 100 Franc coin other than RWF/RWS and from the other side it could be easily seen as a 20 Francs coin


Edit: Never mind, it is significantly bigger. It could not circulate in Rwanda as a 20 RWF coin.
I heard there are plans for an East African Monetary Union comprising Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi using the Shilling. Maybe that has something to do with it.

But no way Rwandans pay with Shillings right now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2011-Rwanda-Africa-20-Amashilingi-Makumyabiri-UNC-Condition-Combine-S-H-save-/151694734459?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2351b5f47b

It's also being sold in the US.
Updating the post here:

I also bought one of those on eBay, without knowing it was a fantasy issue (seller was from China, btw). I noticed this post is years old, but I thought it was worth it to add the few news I found about it...

As of now, wikipedia has a small article about the "new East African shilling":
"A new version of the currency is proposed by the East African Community, which consists of Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, and South Sudan. It had been proposed that the Second East African shilling be introduced into circulation in 2012, but the target was not met. A second target date was set to 2015, but also not met. The third target date is 2024.".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_shilling#Second_East_African_shilling

My coin, and another example still on sale on eBay, are all dated 2011, apparently to "comply" with the first target. So, as far as I can tell, this is not even a token, as it doesn't do the role of alternate currency for goods, transportation, public telephone booths or even souvenirs. It's just fake money trying to pass as a new currency.

Wrapping up: the link of David Rivera's blog mentioned above is broken; I found a similar one, but with pretty much no news:
http://worldcoinnews.blogspot.com.br/2014/08/rwanda-20-francs-2011-new-type.html

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