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oggy Moderator
Joined: 8-Mar-2016
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This topic is to list ebay sellers and items that sell counterfeits knowingly, or post coins not as described. (eg. showing pictures of a nice coin and sending a junk one)

We'll start off with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1796-Draped-Bust-Silver-Dollar-1-/351695433011

Good luck finding a real one on ebay for that price :)
pnightingale
Joined: 27-Jul-2011
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Let me get some popcorn and a comfortable chair, I've got a feeling this is going to be a very long thread.
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muygrandeoso
Joined: 24-Apr-2015
Posts: 449
I purchased a 2015 AUSTRALIAN "FUNNEL-WEB SPIDER" 1 oz. SILVER COIN from Ebay seller eliss-evan. I received an empty padded envelope, with no coin or paperwork. When I filed a dispute, Ebay sided with the seller since I received a tracked shipment, and could not prove it was empty. I can not prove fraud, but I will not purchase from him again.
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oggy Moderator
Joined: 8-Mar-2016
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Quote: "muygrandeoso"​I purchased a 2015 AUSTRALIAN "FUNNEL-WEB SPIDER" 1 oz. SILVER COIN from Ebay seller eliss-evan. I received an empty padded envelope, with no coin or paperwork. When I filed a dispute, Ebay sided with the seller since I received a tracked shipment, and could not prove it was empty. I can not prove fraud, but I will not purchase from him again.

This is quite a common fraudsters trick unfortunately. Best advice is to NOT open an ebay case, but to open a SNAD case in paypal.
Fluke
Joined: 22-Mar-2015
Posts: 1864
I might be ok buying coins up to the value of £100-£150, any higher and I won't trust them at all from eBay

That is quite an obvious counterfeit as well, I spotted one image comparison error right away.
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Ghawk97
Joined: 27-Aug-2013
Posts: 314
I have found other websites that sell coins cheaper than on eBay so I don't even bother with it anymore.
oggy Moderator
Joined: 8-Mar-2016
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Quote: "Fluke"​I might be ok buying coins up to the value of £100-£150, any higher and I won't trust them at all from eBay

​That is quite an obvious counterfeit as well, I spotted one image comparison error right away.

Unbelievable that it went for £420 lol. It was at 50 with a few hours to go when I spotted it.

Fake from a mile away, seller with thousands of feedback, buyer with hundreds....

It's crazy.
MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
Posts: 1005
That's scary. I only deal with cheap purchases on eBay but I still get scared that I'm buying fakes. I can't imagine dropping £420 on a coin that isn't the real thing. Maybe this is a good launching point to compare notes on spotting bad deals?

Beyond doing a really good image comparison, if I were coin hunting one red flag I could see here would be that they don't appear to sell many coins and the feedback doesn't include any mention of coin experience. If they were a responsible seller they'd get an item of that value looked at before selling it, or buying it him/herself to begin with for that matter. Unlike a lot of sellers they list the size and weight of the coin (which is almost 7g off the mark) but most don't do that. I also tend to be wary of the listings that only have photographs from an angle like that.

Of course the biggest red flag would be in the Q&A section where the seller says that they think it might be a replica.

What do you do with bad sellers? How do you mark/remember them?
pnightingale
Joined: 27-Jul-2011
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The seller even admitted it was a fake in response to a question! You just can't protect people from their own stupidity. Not a bad return for a $3 Shanghai Special.
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oggy Moderator
Joined: 8-Mar-2016
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Here's another one. This time a personal experience. Seller is cmci.

http://feedback.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cmci&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

And this is the item.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322048174024

Took me opening a case against him to dispatch the item.

Then, I received this :)



I've told him to dispatch the correct coin again, and send me a damned postage label if he wants his junk silver back :D
muygrandeoso
Joined: 24-Apr-2015
Posts: 449
Here's a good oneB.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/World-Coins-Mixed-Lot-of-4-Coins-/252347957559?hash=item3ac11c4137:g:nSwAAOSwbwlXBwrG
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oggy Moderator
Joined: 8-Mar-2016
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Quote: "muygrandeoso"​Here's a good oneB.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/World-Coins-Mixed-Lot-of-4-Coins-/252347957559?hash=item3ac11c4137:g:nSwAAOSwbwlXBwrG

With a buy it now price of $39 :wiz:

This one does say self made in small writing on the end, but still makes me angry.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141944741920
redsmithstudios
Joined: 20-Dec-2010
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Quote: "pnightingale"​The seller even admitted it was a fake in response to a question! You just can't protect people from their own stupidity. Not a bad return for a $3 Shanghai Special.
​You really can't, I don't understand spending that kind of money on a coin and not even knowing what your collecting?
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scceda
Joined: 25-Sep-2011
Posts: 557
Quote: "oggy"​Here's another one. This time a personal experience. Seller is cmci.

http://feedback.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cmci&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

​And this is the item.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322048174024

​Took me opening a case against him to dispatch the item.

​Then, I received this :)



​I've told him to dispatch the correct coin again, and send me a damned postage label if he wants his junk silver back :D


That's quite a lot of wear and tear for the short shipping time ;)
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Mark240590
Joined: 3-Jul-2012
Posts: 5578
On the whole I've had good experiences on eBay. Sometimes you get to know the sellers quite well I've even dropped over £600 on there. I think it's a case of box clever and know your coins. I've only ever bought one fake which was a rookies error. Everything else has been sound.

One case I did have though was a coin I bought for a bargain sum. It was sent, tracked until it left Canada and it's not turned up. X2 messages to the seller and no response. Opened a case asking for an update and they've immediately refunded me with no message. In my eyes that's suspicious and I believe they may have posted it with an incorrect addres or even an empty packet with that so it doesn't reach me. They can claim back the value and get paid without selling it.

another time I got a NZ 1/2 crown centennial in UNC condition for £15 and when it turned up it was VF+ / EF- messaged the seller, they had a couple of them and sent it to the wrong person. He fully refunded me and let me keep it as a gesture of goodwill. Nice guy.

just err on the side of caution. I don't believe you should treat eBay sellers with any more or less suspicion than you would with a new swapper on here.
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Fluke
Joined: 22-Mar-2015
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Quote: "Mark240590"​On the whole I've had good experiences on eBay. Sometimes you get to know the sellers quite well I've even dropped over £600 on there. I think it's a case of box clever and know your coins. I've only ever bought one fake which was a rookies error. Everything else has been sound.

​One case I did have though was a coin I bought for a bargain sum. It was sent, tracked until it left Canada and it's not turned up. X2 messages to the seller and no response. Opened a case asking for an update and they've immediately refunded me with no message. In my eyes that's suspicious and I believe they may have posted it with an incorrect addres or even an empty packet with that so it doesn't reach me. They can claim back the value and get paid without selling it.

​another time I got a NZ 1/2 crown centennial in UNC condition for £15 and when it turned up it was VF+ / EF- messaged the seller, they had a couple of them and sent it to the wrong person. He fully refunded me and let me keep it as a gesture of goodwill. Nice guy.

​just err on the side of caution. I don't believe you should treat eBay sellers with any more or less suspicion than you would with a new swapper on here.

Couldn't agree more. Rabid fact hunting collectors wont get burned, those who don't take the time to at least compare with many other legitimate coin images....will.
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Steve27
Joined: 22-Mar-2016
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What bothers me is when you take the time to report an issue to ebay and they don't do anything. I reported this seller three days ago, and it appears ebay is just going to let his auctions run:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301917967014?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Steve27
Joined: 22-Mar-2016
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For anyone who purchases ancients, the "FORVM's NOTORIOUS FAKE SELLERS LIST (NFSL)" is a must read:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=18502.0
pnightingale
Joined: 27-Jul-2011
Posts: 5207
That's entirely true Mark although I wish it was a better world and people didn't screw each over for a few quid.

How dispiriting for new collectors when they realise that a large part of their free time is going to be devoted towards avoiding fakes instead of just acquiring beautiful coins. I wonder how many of these go on to be mindless silver stackers instead of "real" collectors. I don't mean this in a disparaging way, if I was just starting out and facing the daunting learning curve of 2016 I think I might never have progressed beyond the pocket change / silver stacking stage either.

Fakes (as opposed to counterfeits) used to come in two basic forms; cheap and cheerful types which might look like coins from across the room and were meant to adorn costumes or wedding shakers, or very high quality items made by skilled engravers which were good enough to fool museum curators. Fortunately for 99.9% of collectors such forgeries were costly and time consuming to produce so we could collect our crowns and half sovereigns in peace.

Now with the opening up of global trade, predatory regimes allow the mass production of fake coins which have all but destroyed numismatics. Nobody is safe, even relatively humble coins are widely faked and snapped up by unscrupulous dealers. I used to be confident I could spot a fake coin without even having to get my loupe out but not any more. Specialisation is the way to go in 2016 my friends. Pick a series and stick to it, learn everything you can about it and you might be OK. I find the idea of casually collecting, for example, morgan dollars to be very troubling.

A drone strike on the Big Tree Coin factory would go a long way towards fixing the problem. I think I'll suggest it to The Donald.
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Fluke
Joined: 22-Mar-2015
Posts: 1864
Quote: "Steve27"​What bothers me is when you take the time to report an issue to ebay and they don't do anything. I reported this seller three days ago, and it appears ebay is just going to let his auctions run:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301917967014?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I know and feel the same frustration, it seems most of these sellers are getting away with many auctions. Then if eBay did step in, think of all the commission they would lose out on.

Another comical seller who is using doctored images, claiming they are selling CGS graded coins that are not in a capsule. (Each image with "grade info" has pixelated matter around the text, blatant text pasting from a different image) First image is directly from the listing, second image is a darkened negative to help the distorted area around text clearly visible.




While you may think this is just another typical seller trying to sell a very low value coin with pointless grading, then take a peek at the listing for this coin HERE and you will see exactly why this one stood out.

At first I came across his listings of some pretty ridiculously overpriced coins, not unusual for eBay. I then noticed the images appeared doctored, but thought no real numismatist will be fooled with such a high value coin, none in slabs. But then to see the magical claim for the one above which is preying on the stupid, I had to send a little message, boy was I met with hostility with a pinch of "I am better than you" word vomit. Claims to be in the same league as very distinguished sellers on eBay, who he claims to know very well.

He seemed to believe a numismatist is a coin seller of high standing, so I told him I know many numismatists and reeled of some first names at random, seems my sarcasm was wasted on him. So he demanded I tell him of forums I visit. Let's see if he stops by.

Another seller to add to the naughty list.
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Stupendousman35
Joined: 31-Jul-2016
Posts: 75
who knew so many 8s was so lucky! That guy's description of the coin was hilarious
MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
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1-9=8

:°
BramVB
Joined: 17-Jul-2016
Posts: 510
And is he calling the young queen a "Bird" ???
I don't seem to find any other animals, but lions on that coin ...

Luckily the law on lèse-majesté was abolished in 2010 in the UK ...
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MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
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I see at least 8 birds on there.
BramVB
Joined: 17-Jul-2016
Posts: 510
Nono, it has to be exactly 8 birds, otherwise the coin is not LUCKY anymore ...

and WOW!!! the seller hasn't yet discovered that if you take the position in the alphabet of every letter on this coin, multiply it with the position of that letter in the word and then add those values all up, divide that number by itself and finally add the number of days in an average week .... you get 8 ! UNBELIEVABLE !!!! This really is a LUCKY COIN.

Pity I don't have £8888.88 ... but if anybody feels like sending it to me for free, I promise to grant you three wishes and eternal happiness ... and that at the price of a 1953 half crown (also works with 1953 farthing, half-penny or penny)
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MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
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Why not 88 birds? Or 263 birds?

2+6=8 and 3 is just an 8 with some chunks missing...that's two more 8s!
Fluke
Joined: 22-Mar-2015
Posts: 1864
Quote: "BramVB"​And is he calling the young queen a "Bird" ???
​I don't seem to find any other animals, but lions on that coin ...

​Luckily the law on lèse-majesté was abolished in 2010 in the UK ...
​I had the exact same thought.
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pnightingale
Joined: 27-Jul-2011
Posts: 5207
Offer the grifter 8,888.88 Zimbabwe Dollars, see how he likes numerology then.
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Danielscott03
Joined: 12-May-2017
Posts: 3
Quote: "Ghawk97"​I have found other websites that sell coins cheaper than on eBay so I don't even bother with it anymore.
​what website is that?
Danielscott03
Joined: 12-May-2017
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Quote: "oggy"​Here's another one. This time a personal experience. Seller is cmci.

http://feedback.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cmci&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

​And this is the item.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322048174024

​Took me opening a case against him to dispatch the item.

​Then, I received this :)



​I've told him to dispatch the correct coin again, and send me a damned postage label if he wants his junk silver back :D
​lol I have the same scale sitting beside me
JRo69
Joined: 9-Jul-2015
Posts: 680
I don't know if this seller has been discussed.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-1p-NEW-PENNY-1980-coin/112871488931?hash=item1a47aa3da3:g:bhwAAOSwhsVaqvLC

The seller has many listings like this. Bad form
Cycnos
Joined: 22-Apr-2017
Posts: 2505
A list of untrusted Ebay Sellers is available and regularly updated here : http://augustuscoins.com/ed/fakesellers.html
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HongKongCoinCollector
Joined: 27-Feb-2019
Posts: 107
Quote: "Stupendousman35"​who knew so many 8s was so lucky!
​In Chinese, the word for "eight" when spoken sounds roughly like the word for "get rich", so it's considered lucky. In many local coin shops here you can find prices like "88" or "888". The word for "two" sounds like the word for "easy", so 882 (get rich easy) will raise the value of a banknote if found on the serial number.

To the contrary, the word for "four" sounds like the word for "die", so it's considered unlucky. It's the reason why my apartment block has no 4th and 14th floors. The word for "seven" sounds like a swear word. If a banknote serial number doesn't have the numbers 4 or 7, then it might be worth a little more money.

This seller sounds like he/she's from China. Maybe Hong Kong, Macao or Taiwan, considering he/she bothered to put traditional characters on the description.
Often things turn up in unexpected places.
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apuking
Joined: 31-Oct-2012
Posts: 5704
Careful with ebay seller
sattar-uk I found out that he tricks people in the sale of his countermarked coins.
he uses real modern Maria Theresia Talers, makes them look a bit worn and then places fake counterstamps on the coins.
Listing the coin as 100% real but unsure about the countersramp and that the counterstamp might be a fantasy.
his coins often seem to sell in the 150 USD + region
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Dutchgalego
Joined: 25-Sep-2011
Posts: 898
Nothing but awe for eBay!

If I had the time I would like to start a research on eBay sellers and buyers.
I'm afraid that the outcome would be, stupidity pays off or trick and be tricked at wish.

Anyway, I still adore the magnetic Egyptian silver coins I bought there. Yes I was stupid and should have known better but at least I got something for my money. :O
Always ready to swap!  FAO coins have my interest.
ZacUK Numista team
Joined: 3-Jan-2011
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This seller is using our page to list a coin ...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274046755536
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http://mycoinssite.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=13560800
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http://mycoinssite.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=16060326

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