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The China Doll Dodge City-a funny token...

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Ginger
Joined: 19-Aug-2007
Posts: 1505
Hi, I just wanted to show you a token I found this afternoon. At first, I thought it was a token issued by some tourist place, assuming the China Doll was a collection of China dolls... Only to discover it was a brothel token ! :D Mine has only one side that is struck, some are known to have something on the other side as well (3 $ all night). Some were issued in San Francisco.



Does any of you have a token like this ? Or any other brothel tokens ?

Thank you !
Si tu cognes ta tête contre une cruche et que ça sonne creux, ce n'est pas forcément la cruche... lollll mon proverbe préféré !
MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
Posts: 647
What a find! Do you have any idea of what year it's from? Those prices are pretty steep.
I've never had a brothel token but they're pretty fascinating. I'm always amazed at how little effort was put into subtlety on some, and how much effort was put into others.

I have to ask...what did you think a "dooie" was in relation to a doll collection? :O
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Ginger
Joined: 19-Aug-2007
Posts: 1505
My native language is not English, so I didn't think much of those words, even if I'm bilingual now. I don't know what year it is, unfortunately.
Si tu cognes ta tête contre une cruche et que ça sonne creux, ce n'est pas forcément la cruche... lollll mon proverbe préféré !
MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
Posts: 647
That's great! We learn so much from these little things.
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Ginger
Joined: 19-Aug-2007
Posts: 1505
Yep !
Si tu cognes ta tête contre une cruche et que ça sonne creux, ce n'est pas forcément la cruche... lollll mon proverbe préféré !
JLHare
Joined: 24-Jan-2017
Posts: 14
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Link doesn't give a year. Sorry.

https://www.tokencatalog.com/token_record_forms.php?action=DisplayTokenRecord&td_id=54488&inventory_id=188662&td_image_id=104635&attribution_id=54862&record_offset=2

My brothel tokens.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces110893.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces111748.html
I am a commercial truck driver over 48 states. I have all my swaps with me. Sometimes takes me a few days to get by a post office.
MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
Posts: 647
Girls from $5 to $50! :8D

The one that gives you company, a cigar and whiskey for the night is a pretty sweet deal too.
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arvin11
Joined: 31-Mar-2017
Posts: 173
Quote: "JLHare"​[Moderator Note: 18+ Post only. Please do not click the links if you're a child]

​Link doesn't give a year. Sorry.

https://www.tokencatalog.com/token_record_forms.php?action=DisplayTokenRecord&td_id=54488&inventory_id=188662&td_image_id=104635&attribution_id=54862&record_offset=2

​My brothel tokens.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces110893.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces111748.html
​So sad to see this... Kindly remove this... Do you want kids to see this...
So shame, when you write My B....... Token
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Ginger
Joined: 19-Aug-2007
Posts: 1505
The Token Catalog says it's a fantasy token. Anyway, I love the chinese characters and the incuse legends, that's why I bought it. If I had known it was a brothel token right away, maybe I wouldn't have bought it. I am not too keen on those things 8~
Si tu cognes ta tête contre une cruche et que ça sonne creux, ce n'est pas forcément la cruche... lollll mon proverbe préféré !
JLHare
Joined: 24-Jan-2017
Posts: 14
Quote: "arvin11"
Quote: "JLHare"​[Moderator Note: 18+ Post only. Please do not click the links if you're a child]
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​​Link doesn't give a year. Sorry.
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​​https://www.tokencatalog.com/token_record_forms.php?action=DisplayTokenRecord&td_id=54488&inventory_id=188662&td_image_id=104635&attribution_id=54862&record_offset=2
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​​My brothel tokens.
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​​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces110893.html
​​https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces111748.html
​​So sad to see this... Kindly remove this... Do you want kids to see this...
​So shame, when you write My B....... Token
​Let me first say "My Brothel Token" means I own the token. I didn't open the BROTHEL or hire women or cash the token in.

Like other tokens and coins a lot of history is behind them. Civil War token that I own. And German Coins that have a swastika on them I own. Those were ugly times in history but it doesn't mean that it should be hidden because you're too sensitive.

Also, quick history lesson. Most brothels that were in the mid-west of America were owned by women.
I am a commercial truck driver over 48 states. I have all my swaps with me. Sometimes takes me a few days to get by a post office.
oggy Numista team, Moderator
Joined: 8-Mar-2016
Posts: 1043
Yep, I see nothing wrong with these tokens being on Numista or being discussed as long as its kept sensible.

I don't collect Nazi memorabilia or coinage but I respect those who do. I do collect some Spanish new world coinage, and we all know how abhorrent their actions were.
halfdisme
Joined: 6-Oct-2017
Posts: 75
There were a large variety of brass brothel tokens, with incuse lettering, that hit the market in the 1960s. Those were fantasy tokens, and have little value.

There are some real brothel tokens, but they are quite scarce. (There are also a number of brothel tokens from France, issued around the 1920.)

There were so many NCLTs, fantasy coins and tokens hitting the market in the 1960s that one collector issued a series from Purple Shaftieuland in 1970 as a parody, with denominations such Nudge, Twist and Shaft. They were very popular at the time!!
Moneytane
Joined: 28-Jan-2014
Posts: 39
Looks like a fantasy and a racist one at that. Lookie and feelie sound very derivative of making fun of Chinese people who don't speak English well or with a stereotypical Chinese accent. Whats next a silver one saying "Me love you long time".

Probably a modern (Post 1960s) toy fantasy of curiosity value only, the values are very low, even back in the 1800s, 50 cents is way too low for full sex. I would not collect them myself as they were degrading towards women.
I love change coins and old coins, but my main focus is stamp collecting and the Muscial God - Prince
Ginger
Joined: 19-Aug-2007
Posts: 1505
I am a woman myself, and I didn't even know it was a "fantasy brothel token" when I bought it. I loved the chinese characters and the incuse lettering, that's why I took it with me. I'll only consider it for those aspects.
Si tu cognes ta tête contre une cruche et que ça sonne creux, ce n'est pas forcément la cruche... lollll mon proverbe préféré !
MonaSeaclaid
Joined: 21-Jan-2016
Posts: 647
I likewise don't find it degrading, and I never considered it racist.

I think it's an interesting find, it's great that this hobby can bring in such a variety of people and opinions. I think it gives us a great opportunity to expand and explore different points of view.
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halfdisme
Joined: 6-Oct-2017
Posts: 75
Quote: "Moneytane"​​Probably a modern (Post 1960s) toy fantasy of curiosity value only, the values are very low, even back in the 1800s, 50 cents is way too low for full sex.
​Interesting comment, so I did a quick internet search. According to Meggan Connors "Prostitution in the Old West", in the Barbary Coast of California, white women commanded higher prices than Mexican or Asian women; and Native American and redheads commanded higher prices than other white women; but the average price ranged from 25 cents to 1 dollar.

Another source, addressing the London of Jack the Ripper, indicated that the prostitutes there performed their services for what they needed--the cost of a room (4 pence), or maybe only the cost of a drink (3 pence). American prostitutes were deemed to have been much more expensive--some earned $30/month.

In some cases in the Old West, the local prostitute was the ONLY woman in town, so could even be a respected citizen.

The French brothel tokens I have seen are called "clamshell tokens" (thin metal front and back, hollow center) that generally imitate French 20 franc gold coins (equivalent to about $5).

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