United Kingdom - half penny

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Hello collectors, what is meaning of that 420 on this coin please?
Thank you for all answers
mining token?
bank token?
Or someone who just stamped 420 on it.
With these things it is always difficult to find the real reason of existance....
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Well the sub culture , it may be Jamaican
It is, what it is, or is it.
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Quote: "ALLRED1950"​ Well the sub culture , it may be Jamaican
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There are lots of coins countermarked with numbers. It is rarely possible to know the meaning. It could be that the coin was re-used as a token or tally or check. I have seen many here on Numista.

Among the few exceptions when we do know the meaning are worn out coins punched with a year, the most common type being worn out US large cents with a punched year such as 1797, 1801, etc. In the 19th century collectors sometimes used worn out and worthless coins and punched the years which were missing in their collection, instead of leaving a hole on their tray. This is obviously not what you have.
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Quote: "Camerinvs"​ In the 19th century collectors sometimes used worn out and worthless coins and punched the years which were missing in their collection, instead of leaving a hole on their tray. This is obviously not what you have.
​That seems like cheating!
Quote: "CassTaylor"​​​That seems like cheating!​
​I must say I prefer an empty hole to a "pretend" coin. Their goal was to eventually fill that hole.

I was once shown a sestertius of the emperor Otho, who ruled briefly over Rome (and not much else) in the year 69. This was from someone who had found it doing some gardening in her backyard (!) in France. Well, since she asked me for more info, I answered the call but quickly remembered that, "wait a minute!", Otho did not strike bronze since he did not have any control over the Lyon Mint, which struck all Roman bronze during the early imperial period. The explanation for her "coin", I found out, was that in the Renaissance, collectors of emperors' portraits on "grands bronzes" (sestertii) were bothered by that one single hole they couldn't fill in their collection. So, medalists (especially Italian medalists) started creating fantasy issues to fill that hole... They were not necessarily trying to fool collectors since people didn't have the same sense of authenticity in history and about artefacts that we have now.
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Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "Camerinvs"​ In the 19th century collectors sometimes used worn out and worthless coins and punched the years which were missing in their collection, instead of leaving a hole on their tray. This is obviously not what you have.
​​That seems like cheating!



​Yes indeed. But I have seen similar use in the Numismatic club in Dendermonde. Coin sellers use such 'tokens' to fill the gaps in their drawers, so they know if there is a gap, a coin is stolen. These tokens are used to fill the gap when a coin is sold.
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Here is an example, way overpriced:

Large cent C/Med 1804

It is likely (though not certain) that this was done by a collector who hadn't found an 1804 yet. Even if I collected such things, I would never pay over $40 for this.
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Flawless. You'd never tell it from an original.

I'm with you. I'd prefer a hole in the book to stamping a coin myself to fill the gap. Just because I carved "1804" into it that doesn't mean I have an 1804 penny.
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Numbers on coins , well sometimes I think there no reason. Then someone was bored. Well here is a UK penny with a 2 and a 3 or 8 or something.

The one have the biggest question about is an Ireland 1 penny from 1822. With 22 22 stamp on the front. And 22 on the back. Knowing 1922 has a meaning for them.


Does anyone know anything?
edit, Really surprised how many people know what 4;20 means.
It is, what it is, or is it.
I did say something about that, just above. It's rarely possible to know what numbers mean. In some cases, beside what I said about a year being countermarked, coins could be used as weight standards, and thus countermarked with a number. I suspect some cartwheel pennies and two pence were countermarked for that purpose, but we usually don't know for sure. Unless the countermarks are fancy enough to be difficult to counterfeit (such as those in Brazil), such plain numbers are almost always unofficial, private countermarks; they are not meant to give a new value to coins.

In some other cases, someone may well be trying out a new set of punches. The same goes for random individual letters, though usually if you have two or three of them aligned, they are the initials of someone.
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thank you to all who reply! can i ask you if this coin is more rare that without that countermark? And what is good price for this coin?

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