David52
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Posted: 1-Mar-2018, 19:56
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Hi, I sent in the request to have the "Colored American eagle" 1 dollar coin added and was told it was a damaged defect of
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1493.html. The Colored American Eagle that I requested to be added, is not a cheap defect. I have the Certificate of Authenticity for this coin. I've also seen it on eBay for sale. Just saying. Think there may be something wrong "here" or something.....
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pejounet
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Posted: 1-Mar-2018, 21:01
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Hi,
doesn't depend on the cheap or not thing; colorized coins are not necessarily legal tender then not to be included within Country catalogue but within Exonumia part.
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David52
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Posted: 1-Mar-2018, 22:00
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Quote: "pejounet"Hi,
doesn't depend on the cheap or not thing; colorized coins are not necessarily legal tender then not to be included within Country catalogue but within Exonumia part.
mmm I must be missing something. I've seen a lot of colorize coin in your listings. Oh well doesn't matter.
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Cerulean
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Posted: 1-Mar-2018, 22:06
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If it was colored by a Mint, then it's a coin.
If it was colored by anyone else, then it's exonumia.
David52
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Posted: 1-Mar-2018, 22:25
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Quote: "Cerulean"If it was colored by a Mint, then it's a coin.
If it was colored by anyone else, then it's exonumia.
I don't know who colored it, I got a certificate of Authority, so it should be real and not done in somebodies basement. So why wasn't it added as exonumia and not just deleted?
That's OK subject is dead. It's not as good a place as it used to be.
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pejounet
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Posted: 1-Mar-2018, 22:39
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Quote: "David52"
Quote: "Cerulean"If it was colored by a Mint, then it's a coin.
If it was colored by anyone else, then it's exonumia.
I don't know who colored it, I got a certificate of Authority, so it should be real and not done in somebodies basement. So why wasn't it added as exonumia and not just deleted?
That's OK subject is dead. It's not as good a place as it used to be.
As I mention it's not related to the cheap thing or made in a basement thing but to the legal tender part of it. In some (many) countries it's literally illegal to alter coins or banknotes (US, Canada, France, Germany, etc.). If you take a common coin, add the colour by yourself or have it done by a private mint, then go to a bank: your coin has been altered from its initial state/design/specifications, is not legal tender anymore and would be rejected.
Private mints do a lot of colourized "coins" which in facts are not, these are rather collectibles or colourized reproduction made with precious metals; more like a product (numismatic product, souvenir, etc.) than a coin (mean of payment).
Some exceptions exist made by an offical mint directly (i.e. government itself) or through agreements with some private mints with precise specifications. A private mint can issue a Certificate of Authenticity, but it doesn't necessarily make it a legal tender; it just certifies that the product corresponds to the item specifications. Can you post the COA with all info (mint name, etc.)?
You can still submit a file to the Exonumia section.
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Posted: 2-Mar-2018, 02:32
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A colored American eagle dollar is after mint damage. Just barely would I call it exonumia. Worth only its silver content.
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Coinman48
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Posted: 2-Mar-2018, 14:32
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It's my understanding that colorized US coins (including American Eagle 1 dollar) remain legal tender as long as the side with the value on it has not been defaced (which is illegal). Someone could go to a bank and test this theory if they were willing to lose the silver value. However I agree that the colorization should be considered after-mint damage just as if a tar blob had fallen on the coin. I would list the coin only as it originally appeared and if I wanted to have the colorized version I would add that information in a comment. I would consider a coin as exonumia only if the entire coin was produced as a fantasy, not alteration of an original legal tender coin. To me it is the same situation as with coins with chopmarks, they would not be listed as separate coins from the coins without such marks. If colorized coins are officially issued by a country's mint or by a contract with the government, then they should be listed but if private mints simply alter existing coins they should not be listed. If private mints issue non-legal tender coins totally different from the original, then they would be exonumia.
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Posted: 2-Mar-2018, 16:50
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+1
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ALLRED1950
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Posted: 2-Mar-2018, 21:33
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I think you mean this thing. Not done by the mint. Just like the colored state quarters.
Or the gold plated state quarters. All were done by some with out the mint ok. Just away to make more money
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