trickyd
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Posted: 4-Jul-2018, 23:01
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Posted: 4-Jul-2018, 23:01
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Hi, by my title I mean common coins that have been faked, not common fake coins. I'm asking because I get a lot of job lots of coins from auctions, pick out some nice ones & ebay whats left.Sometimes I think, wow, thats nice, only to find out its not real. Got a lot lately, & in it were some nice looking coins, including a 1914 5 mark Friedrich/Marie, but it was fake. I can understand faking a coin which may be worth £10/20 £50 or more, but I also found a Canada 1889 25 cent coin, looked nice but only 4.8 grams, if real not worth a great deal, so why bother faking that?
Actually, just looked on the bay, those quarters may be worth more than I thought.
CassTaylor
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Posted: 4-Jul-2018, 23:25
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Posted: 4-Jul-2018, 23:25
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Hello,
Perhaps you want to post some pictures of these coins?
If you have a low-value coin that seems fake, perhaps it is a contemporary counterfeit.
trickyd
Joined: 18-Oct-2015
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Posted: 4-Jul-2018, 23:45
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Posted: 4-Jul-2018, 23:45
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Thanks for the reply, I'll try putting some pictures on tomorrow. It seems they will fake anything these days, whenever I come across a coin I cant find on here, I google the details & usually it comes up, and aliexpress or similar have them for sale.
trickyd
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 10:24
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 10:24
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CassTaylor
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 10:37
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Thanks for the images, I can safely confirm the 1912 Russian coin, the 1914 Anhalt coin, the Italian coin and the Bavarian coin are definitely 100% fakes, no question about it; the Soviet one I'm 95% sure is fake, given the context in which you found it (with a bunch of other fakes).
The Canadian 25 Cents does seem fake, not even silver; but it doesn't seem like a contemporary counterfeit either... in general smaller coins are less usually targeted by modern forgers but I've seen fake British half crowns and Hong Kong 20 cent coins, so I wouldn't be surprised if yours just turns out to be a modern fake. I can't imagine why someone would go to the trouble of forging such a low value coin with little return on their effort though....
Peter M. Graham
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 13:24
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Quote: "trickyd"
These are the coins I got recently, not the usual knock offs you come across.
The Canadian 25 Cent is definitely a Chinese counterfeit produced by the HK Replica Coin Co. It displays
all 4 reverse markers.
1. Bow end is too short.
2. Missing stem to Leaf R-1
3. Closed "C" in CENTS
4. Thick date digits (base of "1" weighted to the left).
I don't know if there are any online guides for fake detection but, my 2015 Charlton Catalogue has a whole chapter on 25 and 50 Cent fakes.
Why fake this? I would grade this as an EF (AU?) Closed 9 variety which by 2015 prices would be approximately $3,000 Cdn.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure, that just ain't so. Mark Twain
trickyd
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 16:44
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 16:44
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Thanks for the input. I realised after I first posted that the 25c would be quite valuable , if genuine. They came in a large lot of unsorted coins, so didn't pay a huge lot so not cost me much.Nice looking coins though.
Camerinvs
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 17:54
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You'll notice that some legends, including that of the 1889 25 cents, have a rough surface. This is because the more prominent details on the coin are, of course, incused on the die, and therefore difficult to polish on a fake die produced from a real coin. This doesn't happen with a die that was engraved.
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PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 5-Jul-2018, 22:15
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Just acquired about 50 chinese forgeries (with a 1804 1 US$, worth a couple of millions...)
A nice asset to my collection!
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Bminc625
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Posted: 6-Jul-2018, 14:52
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This seems to be a more famous Common fake. (counterfeit)
I pulled this out of a collection about 10 years ago.
This 1944 (no "P") Nickel was made in about 1954 by Francis Henning.
Here is an article about Henning Nickels.
http://www.error-ref.com/henning-counterfeit-nickel/
pnightingale
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Posted: 6-Jul-2018, 17:50
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Posted: 6-Jul-2018, 17:50
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Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
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