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Is this an error, and if so what sort is it? [solved]

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CassTaylor
Joined: 30-May-2014
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Here is a photo of my 1831 W 1 Franc of Louis-Philippe; on his cheek you can see a ridge of metal running from his eye to his lip.

I would like to know if this is some sort of a die error, or some other kind of error I don't yet know about? I think it's too random and uncentered to be because of a weld mark or mount or something like that.
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yvon
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In my opinion it is a kind of die-crack, or a die who is damaged anyway.
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ALLRED1950
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Could be where the die starts to break. but die crack.
http://static-numista.com/form/images/578ee7debfbc.com
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ALLRED1950
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http://static-numista.com/forum/images/578ee7debf2bc.com
Not why it is not working and have to get moving, sorry old fart
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PetrusAscanus
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Quote: "ALLRED1950"http://static-numista.com/forum/images/578ee7debf2bc.com
​Not why it is not working and have to get moving, sorry old fart
​die break?
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PetrusAscanus
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Looks like an extra piece of metal that was present at the moment of striking the coin.
Perhaps a piece of the previous coin. It looks like an imprint of the hair.
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ALLRED1950
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Yes PetrusAscanus you are right. Only went with memory. Should have read. Not a die break but maybe a die clash. Iam bad I know not to post on very little sleep
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CassTaylor
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Thanks everyone!

I've added the comment "Die crack" to the coin in my Numista collection. Let me know if there is a more accurate term; usually die cracks stretch from the rim into the interior on a coin.
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edduns
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Could it be Freestanding Interior Internal Die Break error?

http://www.error-ref.com/freestanding-interior-internal-die-breaks/
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "edduns"​Could it be Freestanding Interior Internal Die Break error?

http://www.error-ref.com/freestanding-interior-internal-die-breaks/

​Possibly, but the lump seems too thin to be one of those, compared to how irregular the examples there look.

Is it possible to have a Freestanding Interior Die Break error like that?
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Beekeeper
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Nub3i
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I have one error British coin I thought it's interesting to see the pictures below
halfdisme
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It would not be the result of a die clash, since this is the lowest point on the die.

It cannot be extra metal on the planchet; the strike would have smashed it into the coin.

I believe it can best be described as a "die gouge": something had to fall onto the obverse die (or be scraped into it) to make that unusual-shaped trough in it. It is similar to the "spiked chin" American large cents, that were marked by a bolt that fell onto the die.
BGoode
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I am curious if this is a mint error?
CassTaylor
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Quote: "halfdisme"​It would not be the result of a die clash, since this is the lowest point on the die.

​It cannot be extra metal on the planchet; the strike would have smashed it into the coin.

​I believe it can best be described as a "die gouge": something had to fall onto the obverse die (or be scraped into it) to make that unusual-shaped trough in it. It is similar to the "spiked chin" American large cents, that were marked by a bolt that fell onto the die.
​Updated, thanks for the comprehensive reply.
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halfdisme
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Quote: "BGoode" I am curious if this is a mint error?
​It appears to be damaged outside the mint, but it should be examined in person by someone.

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