RO2B
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 19:37
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 19:37
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I found a (IMO) false rijksdaalder from 1873. The color is more like lead en the weight is about 20 gr. (in stead of 25).
Has it any value?
CassTaylor
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 21:24
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 21:24
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Hello,
Possibly yes; of course much less that the real coin, but it actually mayhave some numismatic value.
This is because the lead metal, which indicates it as being probably an older contemporary forgery rather than a modern Chinese fake. Between roughly 1850 and 1920, lead was a common metal used across Europe to counterfeit circulating silver coinage, presumably because of it's weight.
I've seen many faux d'époque being sold in numismatic shops, alongside real coins, and from what I've seen maybe about 10€? Depends on buyer, of course.
gdrsb
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 21:54
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 21:54
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CassTaylor
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:22
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Choucas
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:29
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:29
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I agree with CassTaylor. Probably a contemporary forgery ("faux d'époque" indeed) worth about 10€. At least 5€, no more than 20€ i'd say.
gdrsb
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:43
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:43
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Yes, I saw similar poor quality counterfeits about 25-30 years ago. It came from Chinese bazaars to Russia, and to other countries after. But now Chinese craftsmen make it in much better quality , unfortunately.....
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RO2B
Joined: 2-Jul-2018
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:45
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:45
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Oh sure it’s not the Chinese fake one. This one is from an early 20 century collection.
RO2B
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:49
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Posted: 21-Jul-2018, 22:49
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Oh sure it’s not the Chinese fake one. This one is from an early 20 century collection. I have also some fake guldens ;-) which are cut through. I think to look if they are real en they are also a little flexible (but not as flexible as lead).
yvon
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Posted: 22-Jul-2018, 11:49
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Posted: 22-Jul-2018, 11:49
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I guess it is made of tin, because you said it is lesser weight (20gr) than the original silver one. Lead will be heavier. Tin is also easy to cast and is somehow flexible too.
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Choucas
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Posted: 22-Jul-2018, 12:19
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Posted: 22-Jul-2018, 12:19
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Quote: "gdrsb"Yes, I saw similar poor quality counterfeits about 25-30 years ago. It came from Chinese bazaars to Russia, and to other countries after. But now Chinese craftsmen make it in much better quality , unfortunately.....
I didn't know they made forgeries like this earlier, thanks.
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