German States - Ulm: 1/2 Ducat 1717 Silver (KM#Pn3) [solved]

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How much is this coin worth?
https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-ulm-1-2-ducat-km-pn3-1717-cuid-1187336-duid-1407159

I was wondering that when I saw this coin on sale for 100€. Are they restrikes/copies/? or is this pattern actually so common?
I did not know this: It seems that ducat patterns from the German States aren't that rare (I found a 2 ducat that was about 100€)
I don't know if this pattern is rare, because I only find two auctions on the quick. But it seems that the price for this pattern is quite moderate:

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=3060&category=63120&lot=2557126

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=189&category=1655&lot=73064


But German (silver) patterns of ducat-coins can be (more) expensive, too. Example:

https://www.sixbid.com/browse.html?auction=183&category=1268&lot=57529
Hello,

Not sure about what you call patterns. For me they are essais, trial strikes, hence necessarily rare.

In that case, that may be just a silver version on a gold coin, using the same dies. This was more common.
Krause classifies them as patterns but you notice that the seller says "silberabschlag" or silver strike, which may be different and mean 10 versus 2000 minted.

I came through a similar case for Salzburg commemos https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces84972.html
For the specialized catalogue by H Zottl, it is silver for 5 kreuzer, 1 ducat dies. There is a 10 kreuzer with 2 ducats dies which is as pattern in the WC with pn number. Not that common but not very rare either. So there is some confusion.
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