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One Yen from Meiji era? Real or Fake? Year not found [solved]

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klei92
Joined: 25-Dec-2018
Posts: 269
Hello, first of all i want to introduce myselft as a new user here in Numista (didn´t find a especific place for this).

My name is Ezequiel, i started muy coin collection the last year when my grandfather gave me his collection. After that i started my own collection. I found Numista web page a few months ago searching info about coins and after search a lot of coins here i decided to become a registered user to make questions and learn more about coins.

Also as a some kind of bonus i would like to said that i am historian and archaeologist so i have some kind of special interest in coins, and for instance, sorry if my english is poor sometimes :P

Enough presentation XD, now here i go with the coin.




Recently i bought this coin while in holidays in an outing that you have in your list.

As far as i have searched the catalogue in Numista, the coin wich is more similar is the 1 Yen large type from Meiji rule

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces129442.html

Here are the pros and the cons that i find that lead me to distrust the possible authenticity of this coin.

Pros.
Diameter ok: 38.6 mm
Edge ok: reeded
Most of the desing from both faces of the coin matches

Cons.
Year not found (in my coin a kanji is missing to match somo of the years, most similar 1888)
Weight not good (24gr. instead of almost 27gr.)
Extreme good condition
The price i paid was, i guess it was low

Hope you can help me ;D
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Idolenz
Joined: 13-Jul-2013
Posts: 2531
if it's real it should be a large type, with a quite small mintage
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces129442.html

could be the holder but the surface looks rough at some places and the obverse has a strange long dentickle at around 1 o'clock
PetrusAscanus
Joined: 22-Nov-2014
Posts: 5990
rare and valuable coins are forged
38.1mm is a diameter that is widely found for fakes

http://www.silvercoins.com/fake-silver-coins-14-ways-to-spot-counterfeits/
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202
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klei92
Joined: 25-Dec-2018
Posts: 269
Quote: "Idolenz"​if it's real it should be a large type, with a quite small mintage
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces129442.html

​could be the holder but the surface looks rough at some places and the obverse has a strange long dentickle at around 1 o'clock
​It´s true, i put wrong the info it should be the large type, info corrected. Thank you for the answer!
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klei92
Joined: 25-Dec-2018
Posts: 269
Quote: "PetrusAscanus"​rare and valuable coins are forged
​38.1mm is a diameter that is widely found for fakes

http://www.silvercoins.com/fake-silver-coins-14-ways-to-spot-counterfeits/
https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/chinese-coin-counterfeiting-ring-4071202
​Changed the info about the diameter thanks to the user Idolenz. it´s 38.6mm so it would match the large type 1 Yen Meiji.

I will try the magnetic test, i will tell you the results. Thank you for the answer
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CassTaylor
Joined: 30-May-2014
Posts: 8551
Hello,

Like Petrus usually asks, photos without the 2x2 would be better. ;)
klei92
Joined: 25-Dec-2018
Posts: 269
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Hello,

​Like Petrus usually asks, photos without the 2x2 would be better. ;)
​Tomorrow will try to add 2 new photos without the cardboard (i undestand that that is the meaning of the 2x2, right? 0:))
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Mr. Midnight
Joined: 10-Mar-2017
Posts: 1171
if the true weight of 24g is accurate, it is too bad, it is silver plated nickel or copper forgery.
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CassTaylor
Joined: 30-May-2014
Posts: 8551
Quote: "klei92"
Quote: "CassTaylor"​Hello,
​​
​​Like Petrus usually asks, photos without the 2x2 would be better. ;)
​​Tomorrow will try to add 2 new photos without the cardboard (i undestand that that is the meaning of the 2x2, right? 0:))
​Bingo!
PetrusAscanus
Joined: 22-Nov-2014
Posts: 5990
If I see pictures of real ones, and compare the details with this coin, I am convinced it is a replica.
How muc did you pay? Where did you buy it?

https://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/japan-yen-y-a25.2-yr.111878-yr.81875-cuid-1171066-duid-1451944
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klei92
Joined: 25-Dec-2018
Posts: 269




Here are the new photos dear users.

I am more convinced that it is a replica thanks to your coments.

In summary, the weight is not ok (as said, 24gr instead of almost 27gr.), I use a scale to compare the weight of my coins with the information that you have here and i never found a weight that did not correspond untill this coin.

User PetrusAscanus´s finally found the year that i was missing. In the link he posted also i found another difference or rare detail that makes me distrust even more this coin; the 1st photo of the second line, probably you cant see it but the flowers and the tie/ribbon are touching because a metal impurity

As user Idolenz said too, coin seems to be rough. And finally user Mr. Midnight, you're probably right with the manufacturing material.


Petrus, i bought the coin recently in one of the outings listed here, specifically in the "Street market of Vandoma" in O Porto, Portugal (https://en.numista.com/outings/street-market-of-vandoma-porto-394.html). It cost me 5€, I thought it would not be so much lost if it was not real 0:)


So, after saying all this, I think we can give it for replica. I'll leave the post open in case you want to add any more comments; tonight I will give by resolved the post.

Thank you all very much for all the info
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CassTaylor
Joined: 30-May-2014
Posts: 8551
Yes, I agree, replica. Others have said it already, but the grainy texture gives it away.
Oklahoman
Joined: 20-Dec-2015
Posts: 2010
It says meiji year 11 .
PetrusAscanus
Joined: 22-Nov-2014
Posts: 5990
5€ is not much for a coin, for this replica it is expensive.
For my collection, I usually pay for these replicas/fakes/forgeries €1 to maximum €3....
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klei92
Joined: 25-Dec-2018
Posts: 269
Well, thank you all for the answer!!
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Status changed to Solved (klei92, 26-Dec-2018, 09:35PM)
Topic locked (Numista Robot, 28-Mar-2019, 05:43AM)

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