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A few nice silver coins (including my new MPCC Europe entry!) are on their way to me as well; but unless the post hurries up I might not be able to post them until March.
Anyway, for now here's something I got very excited about finding; it's not every day you find a nice, big old Chinese silver dollar, and even less often are they at an affordable price (whenever they have them dealers get all excited and slap a HUGE price tag on them usually!
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Apart from two slight damage points on the rim (at 8 o'clock on the obverse and 12 o'clock on the reverse) it's a superb, lustrous coin, certainly a much better one of this type than I was hoping to find, and for 65 euro in this condition it's practically a steal (that price is actually on par with NGC's
huge underestimation of this coin's values!).
Next stop, Sun Yat Sen Memorial Dollar!
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Quote: "neilithicman"I said I had some nice coins on the way to kick off February, and here they are
Some awesome additions! Your silver-hunting is going well it seems!
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Quote: "Bartweegie"
Thistle merk of James VI of Scotland, 1602.
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces88036.html
Ohhh, nice!
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I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
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I bought mine out of a scrap bin at silver value!
My own "buy of the week" 50 Canadian dollars got me this beauty. Shoutout to my LCS for being amazing.
Lucky you! I'm green with envy!
At first glance, when I saw your post, I thought you'd finally bought that 1911 5 Lire you were talking about for ages!
Working towards that!
But I thought I'd start with something a thirtieth of the cost first!
Honestly though, those Junk dollars are really a beautiful design. And with some nice toning like yours, they are a sight to behold.
Good buy!
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
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Quote: "atdavid"
Quote: "neilithicman"I said I had some nice coins on the way to kick off February, and here they are
Some awesome additions! Your silver-hunting is going well it seems!
Yep, my collection just hit 132 coins with 1 kilogram of pure silver, and I've still got 2 months left in my year of collecting free silver.
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "CassTaylor"Next stop, Sun Yat Sen Memorial Dollar!
As it turns out, Fate has a strange sense of humour: I look for these two Chinese dollars for years, and then I find them both only days apart!
This one is a 1927-28 restrike of a 1912 commemorative dollar made for the founding of the Republic of China. It features a rather crude portrait of the ROC's founder and "Father of the Nation", Dr. Sun Yat-Sen, that was reused for the restrike issue.
Now only to get the Yuan Shi-Kai (or "Fat Man") Dollar and all my Chinese targets will be down!
Oh, and here's a post-unification Hamburg 2 Mark coin I got in January but forgot to post:
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Just bought these 2 sets featuring more gleaming coins
This Czech set features the bimetallic 50 Koruna coin and the last haleru coins. It also had an interesting essay about the history of their coins.
A PNG set, quite common and tacky being a Franklin mint issue, but a fascinating country and the 10 Kina coin is 92.5% silver and contains like 1.27 ounces of silver, the 5 Kina is 50% and has about 0.45 ounces of silver.
I love coins
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Quote: "Moneytane"
A PNG set, quite common and tacky being a Franklin mint issue, but a fascinating country and the 10 Kina coin is 92.5% silver and contains like 1.27 ounces of silver, the 5 Kina is 50% and has about 0.45 ounces of silver.
Oh, nice. I got one of these a year or two ago and I just split it up and re-sold it. the 5 and 10 Kina coins get really good prices.
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I know can't wait to get them - but will keep them, my first colelction had a Bahamas 1975 set which had a massive $1, $2 and $5 coin and I missed them.
Nearly fell off my chair when I saw the 10 Kina coin is 45mm in size, me being a size queen - that thing is huge.
To keep true to the thread - I have 2 more rolls of these
One of my mates is a bit of a capitalist, so paid over face for them. Still with a limit of 1 roll (20 coins per customer) he must have a source as now I have 90 of these coins, 3 rolls and 30 loose coins.
I love coins
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egypt 1 pound 2019 and Kenya new coin familyy, just arrived from Berlin coin fair
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Today it finally arrived!: My first coin showing the portrait of (not yet) Empereur Napoleon I Bonaparte
. Sadly a day too late for the coins by year topic ;)
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Quote: "alfonz"Today it finally arrived!: My first coin showing the portrait of (not yet) Empereur Napoleon I Bonaparte . Sadly a day too late for the coins by year topic ;)
Very nice type!
But this coin is dated l'An 12 (1803) anyway, so actually, 2 days late for the yearly thread.
Also I see it is WAC certified/graded, by Antic World Collections (a dealer and TPG in Paris), just like mine was... are you planning to bust it out?
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I have already put it into my coin case but I think that shouldnt damage its value to much (also I dont want to sell it
). Those grading company packagings are much more important if you want to sell coins in the USA I think.
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I bought a small bag of change coins off one of my suppliers today
Nothing spectacular, but it cost me $5 (My offer) That is about the price of a cup of coffee
It included nearly 13 marks of old German coins
And 7 classic European coins, including the French 10 Franc larger coin.
I know its not spectacular, but coins are coins.
I love coins
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Also got these in the mail, good things happen in 3's
PNG set, unopened and stunning, it even came with a pair of coin gloves!
The 5 and 10 Kina coins are gleaming and gorgeous. The 10 Kina contains over $30 of real ass silver
The 5 has 10 bucks worth, the set cost me NZ$50 (About 30 Euros, 35 Euro and £25)
The Czech set arrived too, and I thought it was good value at $19.
Close up of 10,20 and 50 koruna coins, the 10 and 20 have special millenium designs. The medal is very interesting
Other side, the medal has a standard but nice obverse. I love the Bimetallic 50 koruna, a handsome coin.
I love coins
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Well this morning I went to bank ,post office and gas station. Pull this out of the free 1 cents tray with two Canadian 1 cent coins. My first free silver of the year
It is, what it is, or is it.
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Franz Joseph, Austria, 20 Kreuzer 1870.
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A couple of mid-20th century Uruguay bits
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
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At the grocery store 2 hours ago I got four dollar coins in my change, including a
Navy 1910-2010 (not shown), a
Grey Cup, and a very shiny "third portrait". I looked at this last one more closely back home and, wow, it’s a
non-circulating 2000 W!!
"W" stands for the Winnipeg Mint. None of the "W" coins were issued for circulation. What's more, they were sold only in sets, not individually.
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
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No more Chinese silver dollars for the time being- not just because Chinese New Year is now over, but also because I'm saving up for my Weimar commemoratives quest.
But I still managed to get a couple of nice coins in:
My first Guadeloupéen coin; this is one of a two coin type set, with the 50 centimes still missing. That and the Réunion 50 centimes are all I need to finish the six CuNi coin set issued around the turn of the century for French colonies!
And also this 2 Dong coin from North Vietnam, issued by the Viet-Minh under Ho Chi Minh; this was a guerilla/rebel issue, minted with crude machinery during the First Indochina War (1946-54) against French colonial rule. Was not expecting to find this coin at all!
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I'm in a pitch dark room and too lazy to turn on the lights, so I just grabbed my phone and snapped a pic with flash. Therefore the pic looks the way it does.
Well, here we go!
Left to right: Iceland 500 Krónur (
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces20951.html), Iceland 1,000 Krónur (
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces14573.html), Sasanian Empire Drachm (
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces33699.html).
There should've been a Umayyad Caliphate coin too, but after 2 weeks I am about to accept the fact that it got lost in the mail.
Coin referee for: AZE, FRO, GRL, US-HI, KOR, KGZ, MLI, MHL, MMR, PRK, UZB, SML, TAT, TWN, TJK
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Got these in the mail today
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Apart from the 2018 Alphabet 10 pence coins, I had not seen any other GB coin of that date until today. Got it in my change at a local grocery store.
Not seen any 1p, 2p, 5p, 20p dated 2018 yet, so, going to have to wait until 2020 before I see 2019 coins
I'm just a collector of coins, not a slave to it, unless I am in a coin shop.
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Received today this "pocket piece":
As you can see, the lower the grade, the higher the price. I would say this one is AG/Fr. The date is 1936.
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
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Quote: "Camerinvs"As you can see, the lower the grade, the higher the price. I would say this one is AG/Fr. The date is 1936.
I knew some less-circulating coins were scarcer in lower grades, but I didn't expect this kind of inverted values!
Do the values go back up as normal from F 12 onwards?
Also, here is a nice big Italian coin I bought back in January that just arrived:
This 20 lire is a commemorative one year type, issued for the tenth anniversary of the end of WWI in 1928; and it features a distinctive bust by Giuseppe Romagnoli of Victor Emmanuel III, in an Adrian helmet (a French design used by the Italian Army in WWI), hence its nicknames of "Elmetto" and "Cappellone". He was himself a profilic coin collector and numismatist, and his collection is on display in the National Museum in Rome. The reverse features a fasces with the years 1918 and 1928 in Roman numerals, as well as the Fascist era year (Anno VI) and a quote often used by Mussolini and other fascist leaders: "
Better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep."
In Rome this coin even in VF was being sold for around 150 euro and above- but I found this one for only 85, minus shipping, which is a feat in itself.
Fun bonus fact; this coin is featured in New York City at 33 Exchange Place, on the façade of a beautiful Art Deco former bank building:
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The symbolism in those Italian coins of the fascist era is quite stunning.
Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "Camerinvs"As you can see, the lower the grade, the higher the price. I would say this one is AG/Fr. The date is 1936.
I knew some less-circulating coins were scarcer in lower grades, but I didn't expect this kind of inverted values! Do the values go back up as normal from F 12 onwards?
Yes, values go back up. This is true only for the dollar and, to a lesser extent, the 50¢ (which didn't circulate to any significant extent from George VI onward). Regular circulating coins (1¢ to 25¢) are sometimes sold on eBay as "pocket pieces", but they're just very, very worn coins of little to no collecting value.
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10 kreuzer Austria, 1868 and 1872.
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10 kreuzer Austria, 1868 and 1872.
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Earlier today I've got my new oldest banknote, an Argentinian 2 pesos of 1888.
Other than this I've got more 2 banknotes (Armenia and Cambodia) and 2 unknown coins (Opened an
ID topic for them).
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Got two coins today, an American silver Eagle bullion and a broadstruck error 2010 Pakistan rupee. My first major error (I have some minor laminations or clipped planchets but nothing as cool as this before now. The ASE I only got since I have an album now that has a space for it, otherwise I normally don't collect bullion.
Also recently got this Order of Malta coin:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces160430.html which is issuer #375 for me and country #235.
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First three additions of this month ...
'1793 Sheffield Half 1/2 Penny - Yorkshire - Great Britain Halfpenny Trade Token'
[not currently on Numista]
'Lucas of Stone 1820 Token' [21mm]
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces77454.html
'Dutch Bread token - Broodpenning der Diakonie Amsterdam / Vergenoegd en Dankbaar 1861'
[not currently on Numista]
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Just got another nice German coin today (not a Weimar though!), and it has tons of lustre to spare, especially on the obverse around King Wilhelm's whiskers:
This is yet another commemorative, for the defeat of France in the Franco-Prussian War (1870-71) and by extension the subsequent unification of Germany.
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Received today:
I'm posting these because I'm intrigued by the amazing penny token at the lower right. It is already
in the catalogue, but I'd like to know why it is attributed to Sierra Leone. Sure, the abolition of slave trade is relevant to a West African colony, but why the Arabic? This language would be much more relevant to East Africa. Is there anyone who has some specialized catalogue on coins of Sierra Leone and/or British West Africa? So far as I can tell, it was not listed by
Atkins in his 1889 catalogue. I don't think it was mentioned by
Chalmers either.
EDIT: In
this old (1933) auction catalogue, it is attributed to England:
And I found it in an
1878 auction catalogue where a section of the sale was about anti-slavery medals (mine is the penny; the medal is a heavier restrike):
Unfortunately, none of the medals in this section is attributed to any state or colony.
In
this 2007 auction, the attribution to Sierra Leone goes back to Eimer (who wrote a catalogue on 19th-century British medals).
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Quote: "Camerinvs"Received today:
I'm posting these because I'm intrigued by the amazing penny token at the lower right. It is already in the catalogue, but I'd like to know why it is attributed to Sierra Leone. Sure, the abolition of slave trade is relevant to a West African colony, but why the Arabic? This language would be much more relevant to East Africa. Is there anyone who has some specialized catalogue on coins of Sierra Leone and/or British West Africa? So far as I can tell, it was not listed by Atkins in his 1889 catalogue. I don't think it was mentioned by Chalmers either.
EDIT: In this old (1933) auction catalogue, it is attributed to England:
And I found it in an 1878 auction catalogue where a section of the sale was about anti-slavery medals (mine is the penny; the medal is a heavier restrike):
Unfortunately, none of the medals in this section is attributed to any state or colony.
In this 2007 auction, the attribution to Sierra Leone goes back to Eimer (who wrote a catalogue on 19th-century British medals).
purely speculative, however, it’s not a far stretch that Arabic could be used. The somewhat interior portions of west African such as northern Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone etc have historically been Muslim and subject to Arab/Berber influence. Given that the token was issued in the early 19th century, Arabic (or a derivative) could have still been the language of the local elites in those areas
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Quote: "ashlobo"Purely speculative, however, it’s not a far stretch that Arabic could be used. The somewhat interior portions of west African such as northern Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone etc have historically been Muslim and subject to Arab/Berber influence. Given that the token was issued in the early 19th century, Arabic (or a derivative) could have still been the language of the local elites in those areas
Thanks for the feedback, Ashlobo. The problem is that I don't think there is any other issue for West Africa which carries Arabic.
If anyone of you has access to Eimer's catalogue, I would be very interested to know what he has to say.
The second edition came out in 2010.
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CassTaylor
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Quote: "Camerinvs"
The problem is that I don't think there is any other issue for West Africa which carries Arabic.
IIRC there have been a fair amount of West African coins/tokens that had Arabic script, such as the holed lower denominations of British West African coinage; and this 1858 trade token from Lagos has a Hijra date as well:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44346.html
So I agree, not too far fetched for a coin attributed to Sierra Leone to have Arabic on it. Nice find by the way!
Camerinvs
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Quote: "CassTaylor"Quote: "Camerinvs"The problem is that I don't think there is any other issue for West Africa which carries Arabic.
IIRC there have been a fair amount of West African coins/tokens that had Arabic script, such as the holed lower denominations of British West African coinage; and this 1858 trade token from Lagos has a Hijra date as well: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44346.html
So I agree, not too far fetched for a coin attributed to Sierra Leone to have Arabic on it. Nice find by the way!
Ah ─ interesting! Thanks. So, I'll take that into account.
Yes ─ a very nice find IMHO. It's a nice, heavy copper issue. It's also a high quality strike, of the kind that was unmatched outside the United Kingdom at that time (1814, we are told for this issue).
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cro321
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Two Roman ladies:
- First one is Faustina I., probably an as or dupondius. Still need to find the exact catalogue reference.
- Second is as Crispina, RIC 682
Neither are in the Numista catalogue, I'll try to add them one day.
I collect and deal in ancient Roman coin. In case you're looking for affordable ancient coins or need any help with the coins you already have send me a message.
ashlobo
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Posted: 21-Feb-2019, 17:12
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Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "Camerinvs"
The problem is that I don't think there is any other issue for West Africa which carries Arabic.
IIRC there have been a fair amount of West African coins/tokens that had Arabic script, such as the holed lower denominations of British West African coinage; and this 1858 trade token from Lagos has a Hijra date as well: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44346.html
So I agree, not too far fetched for a coin attributed to Sierra Leone to have Arabic on it. Nice find by the way!
yes indeed, I was thinking of these coins too
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22484.html
A quick look through Wikipedia suggests that the Area was dominated by various Muslim Hausa Kingdoms in the middle ages until the early 19th century until it gave raise to the Sokota Caliphate in 1809 that was prolific in the atlantic slave trade. Its interesting to note the Hausa language(s) was written in a modified arabic script at that time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_language
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Camerinvs
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I didn't even think of those British West Africa coins with the Arabic on them, though I own a couple of them! The thing is that I was looking at the earlier 19th century. But still the later coinages need to be taken into consideration.
I'm still not sure how we know (or think we know) that this issue should be attributed to Sierra Leone specifically. Obviously it was struck in the UK, and it seems to be a private undertaking, not an official Imperial issue. So, whoever produced it may have though of sending it to any African settlement or colony which had a demand for a copper coinage.
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Mr. Midnight
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Posted: 21-Feb-2019, 21:28
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Some Panama silver minted in Philadelphia
the 1932 half has a reported mintage of 63,000 pieces - they are none the less plentiful and not expensive in common grades.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
CassTaylor
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Moneytane
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Quote: "ashlobo"
Quote: "CassTaylor"
Quote: "Camerinvs"
The problem is that I don't think there is any other issue for West Africa which carries Arabic.
IIRC there have been a fair amount of West African coins/tokens that had Arabic script, such as the holed lower denominations of British West African coinage; and this 1858 trade token from Lagos has a Hijra date as well: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces44346.html
So I agree, not too far fetched for a coin attributed to Sierra Leone to have Arabic on it. Nice find by the way!
yes indeed, I was thinking of these coins too https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22484.html
A quick look through Wikipedia suggests that the Area was dominated by various Muslim Hausa Kingdoms in the middle ages until the early 19th century until it gave raise to the Sokota Caliphate in 1809 that was prolific in the atlantic slave trade. Its interesting to note the Hausa language(s) was written in a modified arabic script at that time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausa_language
Another theory could be and no one has suggested is that Sierra Leone may have placed a warning on the token to Slave Traders, that people in the colony were not to be enslaved. Besides White men and the occasional African Chief, many Arabs and Maghribi Africans (North Africa) were involved in slavery and they were cataching slaves as late as the 1880s (Rumoured that Mauritania had slaves until a year or so ago).
It could be warning them that if any citizen of Sierra Leone was enslaved, they would be punished. Sierra Leone after all was purchased by English Abolitionists like William Wilberforce and Granville Sharp as a haven for free Blacks, ex slaves and a group of Black Loyalists who fought in the American War of Independence (1775 - 1781) who had faced racial discrimination when settled in Nova Scotia in 1783. Sierra Leone started in 1787, but was always perilous and struggling through to the 1820s.
Liberia was settled much later in 1822 and was to the south, being the American version.
So to have Slavers running around would be anathema. Slaving was taking place around it with the Cape Coast and Ivory Coast to south and the Bissau and Senegambia region to the north, all of which provided slaves as late as the 1850s.
I love coins
Camerinvs
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Thanks all for the informative posts. It is quite a stunning coin. The Arabic, by the way, looks like it was carved by someone who didn't know Arabic. Yet it is much better than those fake "belly dancer" coins we see all the time on Numista.
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LEÓNIDÁS
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1 Thaler - Heinrich Julius "Wahrheitstaler, Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel, 1597. War thaler of truth.
gypsypkd
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I received this 1 dollar of Australia last evening.
Bartweegie
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Posted: 23-Feb-2019, 21:18
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ZacUK
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Seven additions, all from same seller so saving postage ...
'Farthing token 18th century - Social Series 1757 cypher WP - Middlesex D&H#1172'
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18022.html
'Farthing token 18th century - Paisley ham curers Renfrewshire Scotland D&H#4'
[not currently on Numista]
'Farthing token 19th century - Gent & Co. tea dealers 1850 - Northampton W.3870'
[not currently on Numista]
'France jeton / gaming counter - Felicitas Publicas'
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces39933.html
'France jeton / gaming counter - Foedere Helvetico Instaurato 1664'
[not currently on Numista]
'France jeton / gaming counter - Semperque Recentes / Aerarium Regium'
[not currently on Numista]
'France jeton / gaming counter - Rhoda Catalon Capta'
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces29213.html
gypsypkd
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Posted: 26-Feb-2019, 17:18
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Received today the set of Transnistria.
COINMAN1
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Posted: 26-Feb-2019, 19:48
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Update.
The poppy coins I list a week ago from Jersey and Guernsey have now been added to the catalogue.
Still trying to ascertain metal type of Tristan da Cunha coins
I'm just a collector of coins, not a slave to it, unless I am in a coin shop.
For all you banknote collectors. Link to my swap list.
https://colnect.com/en/banknotes/list/swap_list/COINMAN1
Mr. Midnight
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Posted: 26-Feb-2019, 22:51
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A nice Meiji era Japan copper
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2317.html
the first 2 sen coin in my collection
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Mr. Midnight
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Posted: 27-Feb-2019, 19:37
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Another specially nice Panama medio balboa
the 1934 has the second lowest reported mintage of the type at 90,000
I know no one but me thinks this is interesting, but I am filling in the last of my Monaco collection, very soon i will have all 20th century Monaco issues.
Jamais l'or n'a perdu la plus petite occasion de se montrer stupide. -Balzac
Myeackle
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Posted: 28-Feb-2019, 00:07
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Since I decided to get back into coins this month I have gotten a lot of new additions to my collection however this is a exceptional addition as it is now my largest and heaviest coin in my entire collection.
Samoa 25 Tala 65mm and 5 ounces of .999 silver
Matt
ashlobo
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Posted: 28-Feb-2019, 03:20
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Got my latest tranche of 2euro commemoratives
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Camerinvs
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Posted: 28-Feb-2019, 03:34
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Received yesterday from Germany:
♥
Thanks very much to
apuking for sending me this nice countermark! Now I would really like to know why and by whom it was made ─ also when. I'll do my best to find out but we may never know.
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SpuDy
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Posted: 28-Feb-2019, 14:15
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ZacUK
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Posted: 28-Feb-2019, 18:53
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Last addition of the month ...
'1794 Charles Marquis one penny coin'
[not currently on Numista]
CassTaylor
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Posted: 28-Feb-2019, 19:44
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johnspa
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Posted: 28-Feb-2019, 19:50
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Picked this up for a reasonable price.
Sierra Leone 1791 one penny KM#2.
Houseofham
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Posted: 11-Mar-2019, 21:44
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World coins:
A couple new US Commemorative proofs:
Some new 2019 semi-numismatic bullion silver -- not planning to buy any more bullion this year unless some amazing new series pops up:
HoH
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