10 Cash -China empire [solved]

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Kindly help me in identifying correctly this Chines cash coin year and numista link please

dia 28 mm approx
coin collector.....
Is it one of these in the Numista catalogue?
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My guess is this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15604.html

But not able to find the exact year/mint mark exact variety
coin collector.....
Quote: "arvin11"​My guess is this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15604.html

​But not able to find the exact year/mint mark exact variety
​correct but it’s 1907
Quote: "KLiao"
Quote: "arvin11"​My guess is this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15604.html
​​
​​But not able to find the exact year/mint mark exact variety
​​correct but it’s 1907
​Are you sure it's not 1906 (午 丙)?

Also, in the Numista catalogue, the mintmark is incused inside a raised circle, unlike arvin11's coin. Is it just a minor variant?
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
Quote: "Camerinvs"
Quote: "KLiao"

Quote: "arvin11"​My guess is this one https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15604.html
​​​
​​​But not able to find the exact year/mint mark exact variety
​​​correct but it’s 1907
​​Are you sure it's not 1906 (午 丙)?

​Also, in the Numista catalogue, the mintmark is incused inside a raised circle, unlike arvin11's coin. Is it just a minor variant?
​no it’s 1907. And yes it is just a variant
Thank you for identifying the year 1907 ,still I am puzzled 1907 has 11 variants/mint mark, which one is mine. Kindly help.
coin collector.....
Quote: "KLiao"
Quote: "Camerinvs"​​​​​Are you sure it's not 1906 (午 丙)?
​​​​Also, in the Numista catalogue, the mintmark is incused inside a raised circle, unlike arvin11's coin. Is it just a minor variant?
​​no it’s 1907. And yes it is just a variant

Would you be kind enough to tell us where the date is on the coin and what characters are used for 1907?

Thanks.
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Quote: "Camerinvs"
Quote: "KLiao"
Quote: "Camerinvs"​​​​​Are you sure it's not 1906 (午 丙)?
​​​​​Also, in the Numista catalogue, the mintmark is incused inside a raised circle, unlike arvin11's coin. Is it just a minor variant?
​​​no it’s 1907. And yes it is just a variant
​​
​Would you be kind enough to tell us where the date is on the coin and what characters are used for 1907?

​Thanks.
​the middle mark on the back
I didn't thought it would be this tough identifying this coin on Numista ....very puzzling  !
I have found a similar coin in this link http://ykleungn.tripod.com/ning.htm that confirm the year 1906 and mint mark at the center is a Chinese character "Ning" meaning 'Kiangnan Province, inscribed in center, but it's not listed on numista or I am not able to find it.
I have also contacted the Chinese empire referee regarding this ,still waiting for response.
I will request anyone who is expert in Chinese coins kindly share his/her valuable knowledge on this .
Thank you.
coin collector.....
Quote: "arvin11"​I didn't thought it would be this tough identifying this coin on Numista ....very puzzling  !
​I have found a similar coin in this link http://ykleungn.tripod.com/ning.htm that confirm the year 1906 and mint mark at the center is a Chinese character "Ning" meaning 'Kiangnan Province, inscribed in center, but it's not listed on numista or I am not able to find it.
​I have also contacted the Chinese empire referee regarding this ,still waiting for response.
​I will request anyone who is expert in Chinese coins kindly share his/her valuable knowledge on this .
​Thank you.
​It is, indeed, 1906, and the middle mark is, indeed, the mint mark. On top of it, check again, I think it is in Numista because Kiangnan and Jiangnan are two and the same.

EDIT: I have just tried this google search:

Y#10k (Jiangnan)

and it looks like you should be able to find the info to distinguish the different Yeoman numbers (Y# ...). This info should be added to the catalogue, otherwise we can't tell what's the difference between Y# 10k, 10k.1, etc.

EDIT 2: This is the results on NGC World Coin Price Guide:

China, Provincial → Kiangnan, Province → 10 Cash
₱o$₮ag€ $₮am₱$ a₹€ mo₹€ £€₲i₮ima₮€ a$ a ƒo₹m oƒ ¢u₹₹€nc¥ ₮ha₦ ₮h€ €₦₮i₹€ "¢oi₦" ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ oƒ ₦au₹u o₹ ₦iu€. ••• £€$ ₮im฿₹€$-₱o$₮€ $o₦₮ ₱£u$ £é₲i₮im€$ €₦ ₮a₦t qu'o฿j€₮$ mo₦é₮ai₹€$ qu€ £a ₱₹odu¢₮io₦ €₦₮iè₹€ d€ «mo₦₦ai€$» d€ ₦au₹u ou d€ ₦iu€.
Quote: "Camerinvs"
Quote: "arvin11"​I didn't thought it would be this tough identifying this coin on Numista ....very puzzling  !
​​I have found a similar coin in this link http://ykleungn.tripod.com/ning.htm that confirm the year 1906 and mint mark at the center is a Chinese character "Ning" meaning 'Kiangnan Province, inscribed in center, but it's not listed on numista or I am not able to find it.
​​I have also contacted the Chinese empire referee regarding this ,still waiting for response.
​​I will request anyone who is expert in Chinese coins kindly share his/her valuable knowledge on this .
​​Thank you.
​​It is, indeed, 1906, and the middle mark is, indeed, the mint mark. On top of it, check again, I think it is in Numista because Kiangnan and Jiangnan are two and the same.

​EDIT: I have just tried this google search:

Y#10k (Jiangnan)

​and it looks like you should be able to find the info to distinguish the different Yeoman numbers (Y# ...). This info should be added to the catalogue, otherwise we can't tell what's the difference between Y# 10k, 10k.1, etc.
​I can tell one of the possible differences: the dragons' design.
I got a Jiangnan coin like yours ~2 months ago but with small differences in the dragon comparing to your coin and to the one in the coin's page, almost thought mine was a fake because of that (despite being a worn copper).
On Colnect these variants are separate pages, I've identified it first there because of this.
I agree that there should be more info to distinguish the variants.
I added an "EDIT 2" as you posted your message, Giobruno; just a link to NGC where the variants are also listed separately.
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"Year" read from right to left on coin.....丙午

Quote from catalog for your reference, check......

Quote: "Camerinvs"​I added an "EDIT 2" as you posted your message, Giobruno; just a link to NGC where the variants are also listed separately.
​Thanks, it determined my exact variant (Y# 10k.13)

Hope it help others.
Year => 午丙 = 1906, year of the horse 午 (1907 would bear 未丁, year of the goat 未)
Mintmark => 甯 = Jiangnan, no raised disk
Dragon => narrow face, dots for the eyes
Reference => Y#10k.3

Note: KM has a wrong picture illustrating 10k.2 as it should not have a raised disk for the mintmark.
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Status changed to Solved (arvin11, 1-May-2019, 02:28)
Thank you everyone for sharing your expertise, Its a learning experience.This thread will help me identifying Chinese coins in future. :)
coin collector.....
Now I noticed that the variants got their own pages, one for each mintmark (province).
Good job to whoever did this!
Quote: "Giobruno"​Now I noticed that the variants got their own pages, one for each mintmark (province).
​Good job to whoever did this!
​Indeed, all split. :8D(8
Variants detailed within mintage section and pictures added to comment section.

Still many pictures missing so if you find some, feel free to send me. ;)
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