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Venezuela 200 Bolívares Francisco de Miranda Ag/Au [solved]

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Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Greetings,

Is there successor to this world catalog, Modern World Coins & Current Coins of the World by Richard S. Yeoman (Whitman Publishing)?

I am having difficulty in finding the source for Y# 97 and Y# 98, in particular the source for number of pieces minted:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces27576.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces27575.html

The most recent revision of this reference appears to be 2008.

Thank you,
Miguel del Rio
Sjoelund
Joined: 28-Mar-2012
Posts: 2668
Hi,

the 13th edition is the newest in my library, here your two coins



Ole
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Dear Sjoelund,

Is it the 2019 WORLD BOOK OF COINS 2001 - DATE: 13TH EDITION by George S. Cuhaj and Thomas Michael?

Found these in the 11th edition and the Weltmünzkatalog 21. Jahrhundert- 2001 - 2016 ISBN 3866461380 Pg 1536 Y# 98, respectively:

Neither these listings make mention of the mintage.

Any idea who is responsible for maintaining the Yeoman index beyond Yeoman's 2008 edition?

Thanks.
Miguel del Rio
Oklahoman
Joined: 20-Dec-2015
Posts: 1866
If you have your Yoeman guide then you have the name of the publisher who would maintain the Y numbers.
Sjoelund
Joined: 28-Mar-2012
Posts: 2668
Quote: "Bears4Hire"​Is it the 2019 WORLD BOOK OF COINS 2001 - DATE: 13TH EDITION by George S. Cuhaj and Thomas Michael?


​Yeah, that's it!

but if the mint doesn't give the amount of coins minted, the catalogs cannot give them either. The KM catalog is depending on their contributors (I'm one of them) and if contributors don't know, then the catalog can NOT give the numbers!!!! The KM (SCWC = Standard Coin World Catalog) is a firm with limited resources (man power) and the firm can NOT research everything!

Ole
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Sjoelund
Joined: 28-Mar-2012
Posts: 2668
Quote: "Oklahoman"​If you have your Yoeman guide then you have the name of the publisher who would maintain the Y numbers.

​Hi Oklahoman,

the Y# and the KM# yes, but not necessarily the amount of coins minted for that catalog number in that year.

See you at XMas as usual?

Ole
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Oklahoman
Joined: 20-Dec-2015
Posts: 1866
Of course! I have been examining Cattleman's for our steaks. I enjoyed your notes on the Yugoslav pathway. I hope I have both varieties. I must look.
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Dear Sjoelund,

What then of the Numista coinages listed?

Any source for them?

Thanks,
Miguel del Rio
Oklahoman
Joined: 20-Dec-2015
Posts: 1866
Of course there are nation specific catalogs that can have additional information.
Sjoelund
Joined: 28-Mar-2012
Posts: 2668
Hey heh,
most of the time they are copied from the scwc. Sometimes a member has done some independent research on the concerned mints website and was lucky enough to find the number of coins for that denomination for that year. Yes, it happens!

Ole
Globetrotter
Coin variants in English:
https://sites.google.com/site/coinvarietiescollection/home
In French on Cobra's site (not the same)
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Quote: "Sjoelund"​Hey heh,
​most of the time they are copied from the sec. Sometimes a member has done some independent research on the concerned mints website and was lucky enough to find the number of coins for that denomination for that year. Yes, it happens!

​Ole
​Sure, I've done independent research and established coinages from reputable sources, then updated those coinages on the occasion that I receive updates or other information that corroborates or denies the original sources.

The Ibero-American coins of Peru and the fantasy coins series from the Sunshine Mint of Las Vegas on the occasion of the two hundredth anniversary of the liberation of Ecuador are examples.

Any idea of the source for Numista coinage, 3000 for Venezuela Y# 97 and 1500 for Y #98?

Update: The Rare Coin Collector lists the 1500 coinage, so I've left a message for product information. I hope their source wasn't Numista!

Thanks,
Miguel del Rio
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Browsing the web, I found this "COA" without endorsements:



The COA is better quality than for the fantasy issues minted in Las Vegas, though, unlike Ecuador, I don't suppose that there is any government authority to deny its authenticity.

The coin is of the same quality as was the fantasy series and the date of 2009 is also coincidental.

Best regards,
Miguel del Rio
Status changed to Solved (Bears4Hire, 7-Sep-2019, 09:50PM)
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Greetings,

This web page from the Numismatic Catalog of Venezuela makes no mention of the Francisco de Miranda coins: https://www.numismatica.info.ve/en/coins/mv-bsf.htm

I have directed the question of authenticity to the author of the website:

El asunto: Venezuela 200 Bolívares Francisco de Miranda Ag/Au

Estimado,
¿Puedes verificar la autenticidad de estas monedas?
Otras monedas de calidad similar y sin endosos oficiales supuestamente de Ecuador fueron acuñadas por la Sunshine Mint de Las Vegas, Nevada, EE. UU.
Su autenticidad fue negada por el Museo Numismático de Ecuador.

(photo)

Saludos cordiales,
Miguel del Rio
Status changed to Opened (Bears4Hire, 7-Sep-2019, 11:03PM)
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
The coins are found at https://www.numismatica.info.ve/en/coins/mv200bsf.htm

However, I still pose the question to the Numismatic Catalog of Venezuela because the COA is not endorsed:

El asunto: Venezuela 200 Bolívares Francisco de Miranda Ag/Au[2]

Estimado,

Las monedas se encuentran en https://www.numismatica.info.ve/en/coins/mv200bsf.htm

Sin embargo, todavía planteo la pregunta porque el certificado no tiene autorización firmada.

Saludos cordiales,

(prior message)
Miguel del Rio
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Greetings,

The prospects don't look good for the gold coin.

In 2018, a proof 68 specimen sold at Heritage Auctions for less than the price of gold:

https://coins.ha.com/itm/venezuela/republic-gold-proof-200-bolivares-nd-2010-pr68-ultra-cameo-ngc-/a/3067-32443.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115

Buyer's premium is 20%, so the seller received only $1152.00 USD, at the same time the price of gold was ~$1200.

Decided to ignore the offer of $2,370.00 for this coin.

Attentively,
Miguel del Rio
Status changed to Solved (Bears4Hire, 8-Sep-2019, 02:01AM)
Bears4Hire
Joined: 27-May-2017
Posts: 84
Greetings,

Verified that the 2019 WORLD BOOK OF COINS 2001 - DATE: 13TH EDITION by George S. Cuhaj and Thomas Michael continues the Yeoman Catalog for coins beyond the 2008 edition, so the later catalog references are also cited as 'KM Y#nn'.

Attentively,
Miguel del Rio

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