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Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
Hey guys
picked this up today.

came with a bundle, I collect french coins (got me some lovely napoleon french and Italian ones, along with some other nice silver and a Louis Phillipe iv been looking for but saw this as I was leaving. Did some swaps for it.

just want some information on this one

do you think it’s legit? How far is the case trustable? Is it worth resubmitting? Value?
any historical or mint information would also be amazing! Even the weight or actual denomination


thanks guys, as always!

Joe
Frenchlover
Joined: 16-Jul-2013
Posts: 5998
This kind of coins is not suitable for my wallet so I can't give any comment about PCGS.
I'm a bit confused about the comment "Genuine not gradable", I thought it was their job to grade :D
KM# 514 is not yet in the Numista database
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Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
I was told by the person I bought it from that it meant that it was deemed genuine, however due to a minor blemish on the surface (from someone cleaning maybe) it was unsuitable for grading.
I have ran the reference on the database and it comes through all same details!

thanks for your reply and the mintage numbers! Really helps.

wondering if anyone has any more information on it

debating (on a friends suggestion) of getting it regraded as the ‘ungradable’ is always person depending and next time it may be given one!
Ciin
Joined: 2-Dec-2019
Posts: 39
Examine the following:

1. The PCGS Population report - if no coins exist in the grade on the slab, it is fake.
2. Check for cracks on the sides and edges on the case to see if it has been tampered with, such as if a con artist replaced the coin in the slab with a coin of lower quality.
3. See if the sticker is not centered - some fake slabs are mass-produced and usually have less attention to detail.
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 897
Very nice, maybe some edge damage for it to go genuine, or cleaning invisible through the pictures? Not certain, but yes, a very very nice coin!
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
Quote: "loruca"​Very nice, maybe some edge damage for it to go genuine, or cleaning invisible through the pictures? Not certain, but yes, a very very nice coin!
​thanks :)!

i like it alot

debating cracking it open and sending it for appraisal again

what do you think about that?
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 897
Quote: "Joewalker1110"
Quote: "loruca"​Very nice, maybe some edge damage for it to go genuine, or cleaning invisible through the pictures? Not certain, but yes, a very very nice coin!
​​thanks :)!

​i like it alot

​debating cracking it open and sending it for appraisal again

​what do you think about that?
​Opening it: yes
Resubmitting? not without figuring out what the issue was.
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
Quote: "loruca"
Quote: "Joewalker1110"

Quote: "loruca"​Very nice, maybe some edge damage for it to go genuine, or cleaning invisible through the pictures? Not certain, but yes, a very very nice coin!
​​​thanks :)!
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​​i like it alot
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​​debating cracking it open and sending it for appraisal again
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​​what do you think about that?
​​Opening it: yes
​Resubmitting? not without figuring out what the issue was.
​okay!

any clues how I would go about finding that out
i have zero clue with the appraisal system
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 897
Quote: "Joewalker1110"
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Quote: "loruca"​Very nice, maybe some edge damage for it to go genuine, or cleaning invisible through the pictures? Not certain, but yes, a very very nice coin!
​​​​thanks :)!
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​​​i like it alot
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​​​debating cracking it open and sending it for appraisal again
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​​​what do you think about that?
​​​Opening it: yes
​​Resubmitting? not without figuring out what the issue was.
​​okay!

​any clues how I would go about finding that out
​i have zero clue with the appraisal system
​Send us better pictures and we'll do it for you!
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
Quote: "loruca"
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Quote: "loruca"​Very nice, maybe some edge damage for it to go genuine, or cleaning invisible through the pictures? Not certain, but yes, a very very nice coin!
​​​​​thanks :)!
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​​​​i like it alot
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​​​​debating cracking it open and sending it for appraisal again
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​​​​what do you think about that?
​​​​Opening it: yes
​​​Resubmitting? not without figuring out what the issue was.
​​​okay!
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​​any clues how I would go about finding that out
​​i have zero clue with the appraisal system
​​Send us better pictures and we'll do it for you!
​awesom! I’ll crack it open and take photos, lot of them, and start a new thread to avoid confusion here!
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 897
Quote: "Joewalker1110"
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Quote: "loruca"​Very nice, maybe some edge damage for it to go genuine, or cleaning invisible through the pictures? Not certain, but yes, a very very nice coin!
​​​​​​thanks :)!
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​​​​​i like it alot
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​​​​​debating cracking it open and sending it for appraisal again
​​​​​
​​​​​what do you think about that?
​​​​​Opening it: yes
​​​​Resubmitting? not without figuring out what the issue was.
​​​​okay!
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​​​any clues how I would go about finding that out
​​​i have zero clue with the appraisal system
​​​Send us better pictures and we'll do it for you!
​​awesom! I’ll crack it open and take photos, lot of them, and start a new thread to avoid confusion here!
Keep it to one thread, it makes it alot easier TBH.
Be careful in cracking it, those cases can be problematic, and the coin you want as intact as possible!
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
Any advice on cracking 😂?!
Andrey
Joined: 16-Jul-2012
Posts: 750
Before you do that read PCGS or NGC pricelists for grading. It will cost you at least $50, probably more. At least now you have a certification that the coin is genuine. After cracking the slab you'll loose this third party certification.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 897
Quote: "Andrey"​Before you do that read PCGS or NGC pricelists for grading. It will cost you at least $50, probably more. At least now you have a certification that the coin is genuine. After cracking the slab you'll loose this third party certification.
​Very true, however this is not a rare coin, and a 'genuine' slab isn't a big price bump for it.
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
I did think of the price of regrading if needed!

using the NGC in the uk is 30 quid
Not a massive outlay if needed!
Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22


as requested!

there are small blemishes only visable in the shadow. In the light they almost not noticable (see photos on scale In shadow. Any opinions, as always, fully appreciated!
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 897
Beautiful, is there anything going on there with the edge?
if not, I think what the graders were complaining about was an old polishing,
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
Quote: "loruca"​Beautiful, is there anything going on there with the edge?
​if not, I think what the graders were complaining about was an old polishing,
​no nothing I can see with edge

just trying to show it


So the polishing is the issue you think?
does it do anything to the coin?
not to fussed about valuation, I love french history and this is firmly that, but always interesting to know if you have any idea in that condition?

thanks!

got some lovely napoleonic Italian coins with these too, you maybe into those ones judging from your profile!
loruca
Joined: 11-Apr-2015
Posts: 897
Love napoleonic Italy!
Two sicilies or further north?
I collect anything: If it's Italian or Italian states i collect it even more!
Andrey
Joined: 16-Jul-2012
Posts: 750
Since the coin was polished there is no use resubmitting it for grading. A polished coin won't be graded, or rather is not supposed to be graded by NGC. Enjoy it as is.
I collect coins and tokens which circulated in Africa from 18th century to 2000. I sell about 7000 illustrated world coins from http://www.avscoins.com.
PetrusAscanus
Joined: 22-Nov-2014
Posts: 5990
did you try this?
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/18060975
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Joewalker1110
Joined: 26-Feb-2019
Posts: 22
Quote: "loruca"​Love napoleonic Italy!
​Two sicilies or further north?
​only one is Italian of course but don’t have individual photos!
i like the french ones, but the Italian are interesting

any Info?

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