Are we using the correct designation for Yemeni banknotes and coins?

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We have many versions of Yemen. What is the correct current version of Yemen?
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Republic of Yemen - since 1990.

Aidan.
I wonder if part of the confusion is the separation of the Mutawakkilite Kingdom from the Arab Republic? These were the same state, sometimes called North Yemen.
South Yemen started out as the Aden Colony and Protectorates (no coins or notes as far as I know), was then reorganized as the Federation of South Arabia before gaining independence as the People's Republic of Yemen, renamed the People's Democratic Republic in 1970.
Maybe if we somehow group the northern and southern entities before unification in 1990 it migh be clearer?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Kingdom of Yemen - until 1962 / 1970.

North Yemen - 1962 to 1990.

South Yemen - 1967 to 1990.

Republic of Yemen - since 1990.

The Aden Protectorate States themselves had their own coins from the 1840's to the 1920's - & postal orders.

South Arabia was the name of 2 entities - Federation & Protectorate of South Arabia - both used South Arabian Dinars & Fils.

Aidan.
Quote: "ceh2019"​South Yemen started out as the Aden Colony and Protectorates (no coins or notes as far as I know)
​I believe this one is Aden. Or is it simply South Yemen?
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Quote: "ceh2019"​South Yemen started out as the Aden Colony and Protectorates (no coins or notes as far as I know)
​​I believe this one is Aden. Or is it simply South Yemen?

South Yemen.

Aden was its capital city.

Aidan.
Why should we split the Kingdom of Yemen from the the Arab Republic (sometimes called North Yemen)? They covered the same territory and one followed the other.
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Quote: "ceh2019"​Why should we split the Kingdom of Yemen from the the Arab Republic (sometimes called North Yemen)? They covered the same territory and one followed the other.

The Arab Republic was an imposition by this despotic character;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_al-Sallal .

Aidan.
Quote: "BCNumismatics"
Quote: "ceh2019"​Why should we split the Kingdom of Yemen from the the Arab Republic (sometimes called North Yemen)? They covered the same territory and one followed the other.
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​The Arab Republic was an imposition by this despotic character;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_al-Sallal .

​Aidan.
​That doesn't explain why we should separate the two political entties as if they were separate territories. If we did that, every episode of dictatorship would result in a new section being created. Remember that we are able to define ruling authorities to illustrate this change without needing separate sections within Yemen, which seem to be causing confusion.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
Pick calls and lists all the current notes as part of the Yemen Arab Republic. I am recieving requests to move those notes to the simple Yemen. But I do not think that is correct either. I would love other thoughts on this.
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Only for notes dated 1990 & later - under 'Republic of Yemen'.

Aidan.
So Pick has Yemen Arab Republic for notes from 1964 to date.

Pick lists the Democratic Republic of Yemen as being from 1967 to 1990

South Arabia issued notes in 1965.

South Arabia became the Democratic Republic of Southern Yemen in 1967.

Southern Yemen changed its name to the Democratic Republic of Yemen when the government was overthrown.

In 1990, The Peoples Democratic Government merged with the Yemen Arab Republic, into a unified Republic of Yemen.

So wouldnt the Republic of Yemen be the same as Yemen Arab Republic?
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No, not the same - as 'Republic of Yemen' is the correct name for the unified Republic that was created in 1990.

Aidan.
Seems like it's pretty much the same as North Vietnam and Socialist Republic of Vietnam. I don't think we even have a North Vietnam in the catalogue. Do we?
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Quote: "ngdawa"​Seems like it's pretty much the same as North Vietnam and Socialist Republic of Vietnam. I don't think we even have a North Vietnam in the catalogue. Do we?
​Yes, it's quite similar. For me, both should be presented in three parts, North, South and United. In both cases, the northern currency was adopted by the unified country, hence the confusion in Pick and KM.
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Quote: "ceh2019"
Quote: "ngdawa"​Seems like it's pretty much the same as North Vietnam and Socialist Republic of Vietnam. I don't think we even have a North Vietnam in the catalogue. Do we?
​​Yes, it's quite similar. For me, both should be presented in three parts, North, South and United. In both cases, the northern currency was adopted by the unified country, hence the confusion in Pick and KM.

There was also the Viet Cong notes as well.

Aidan.
Quote: "BCNumismatics"​​
​There was also the Viet Cong notes as well.

​Aidan.

​If you are refering to notes such as this:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/note208308.html
they only circulated in South Vietnam so are rightly found there (although not all have been entered yet).
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Not my area of expertise, so I am a little bit confused here. Should there be some merges?
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Some previous arguments that we have the three or more Yemeni nations mixed up. I have asked for an Arabic reader to assist...but to no avail. Things may be OK. There may be some mistakes...its on my list to check with tbb and scwbn...but I still would hope someone could help us make sure they are attributed by name on the notes...
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I'm out sailing for another week, but I could help with that.
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Yemen was unified in 1990 (http://www.archontology.org/nations/yemen/01_polity.php). Therefore, any notes issued before 1990 can be assigned to North Yemen (the Arab Republic) and after 1990 to united Yemen (the Republic). Unfortunately, the division between North Yemen and united Yemen can't easily be seen on the banknotes since the name of the country is not given, only the bank name (Central Bank of Yemen) which didn't change upon unification. However, it is possible to distinguish if the coat of arms can be seen, since this did change as a result of the flag for the united Yemen losing the star which had been in the flag of North Yemen (https://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ye-north.html).
There are three notes where the change could occur "mid-type", 5 rial P#17 (ND but dated to 1981-1991), 10 rial P#23 (ND but dated to 1990) and 20 rial P#26 (ND but dated to 1990). The change can be seen in the watermark of the 10 Rial P#23a and P#23b:
http://banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/ASI/YEM/YEM0023.htm
I have examples of the 5 rial P#17c and the 20 Rial P#26a in which the star can be seen, indicating that these were issued before unification. I'm surprise that P#17c has the star as this ought to be from 1991. Perhaps this date is wrong?
I'm not keen on splitting a note based on a watermark but perhaps this is justified for P#23. I can't say about P#26 without knowing what the flag is on P#26b (not shown here http://banknote.ws/COLLECTION/countries/ASI/YEM/YEM0026.htm) and P#17 needs more work. Other than these three, the division is clear between North Yemen and united Yemen. It's also clear for the coins, where the country name is given. I'm going to request moves for all those notes in the wrong places, putting P#17, P#23 and P#26 in North Yemen for now with a view to sorting those out once we're in possession of all the facts.
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Status changed to Rejected (stratocaster, 6-Jun-2021, 21:50)
Hello,

I don't think we need to create or modify any issuers here... there are two pre-union issuers (People's Democratic Republic and the Arab Republic) + united Yemen.

So the database is fine, it's just a question of assigning the notes. What ceh2019 explained seems reasonable to me.

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