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Vote for the 2017 Numista token

Vote for the 2017 Numista token

I'm very happy to announce we received 15 submissions for the 2017 Numista token design contest. Thank you to all the designers!

After a difficult selection, we chose 6 designs to take part in the final round. The final design will be chosen by you, the members of Numista.

See the selected designs
Vote for your preferred design!

The vote is opened until the 8th of February, 17:00 GMT.

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BlackStar
Joined: 11-Dec-2016
Posts: 6
Numista's main goal is---if I understand it right---to provide a platform to exchange numismatic objects with people all around the world, independently of location, culture and language. By depicting languages on 6 of the 7 designs of these tokens, and thus showing an unambiguous preference of certain languages over the others, they do not carry this goal anymore. These designs are biased. The only design worthy to represent the big goal is the one showing a big 10, which, in my humble opinion, isn't even the prettiest one. So I will not vote for any of the designs.
Jarcek Numista team
Joined: 22-Dec-2014
Posts: 5313
There are 2 official numista languages. It would be quite hard to represent all other languages. Moreover, anybody could have added different language design.

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theshading
Joined: 6-Jan-2015
Posts: 1
I loved them all. But, one stuck out more than the others. So, I cast my vote for that one. I'll keep my choice to myself because I think that they are all worthy. Great job on all of the designs and thank you to all of those who contributed and who work on this site.

First and foremost, man is an animal, and subject to the trappings thereof.

BlackStar
Joined: 11-Dec-2016
Posts: 6
Quote: "Jarcek"​There are 2 official numista languages.
So in the end, this token is not about representing Numista, but instead about representing the two offical languages of Numista?
Quote: "Jarcek"​It would be quite hard to represent all other languages.
​A good design of a token which is supposed to represent a good idea does not need any language at all :)
Quote: "Jarcek"​Moreover, anybody could have added different language design.
I did not notice there would be a voting at all until it was too late.
Jarcek Numista team
Joined: 22-Dec-2014
Posts: 5313
No, it would be representing Numista. You surely do not want to imply that team is somehow responsible of user-added designs?

I agree, that good design could be without any language too.

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BlackStar
Joined: 11-Dec-2016
Posts: 6
Quote: "Jarcek"​No, it would be representing Numista. You surely do not want to imply that team is somehow responsible of user-added designs?[...]
No, the designers are responsible for the designs, and it is very easy to read their nationality in these tokens, that is all I'm implying, nothing more, nothing less :)
latiina
Joined: 22-Mar-2012
Posts: 44
To be honest I don't see your point, BlackStar. Official language provides smooth platform "to exchange numismatic objects with people all around the world, independently of location, culture". Would you answer to a swap request written in language you don't understand? Would you like receive answers to your question on forum written in language you don't understand?
BlackStar
Joined: 11-Dec-2016
Posts: 6
Quote: "latiina"​To be honest I don't see your point, BlackStar. Official language provides smooth platform "to exchange numismatic objects with people all around the world, independently of location, culture".
The pure concept of "offical languages" impedes people who are not as safe in English or French language as you are. These people will hesitate to swap coins if they only get the feeling that their language is not as welcome as others are. Do you have any idea how many people on the world don't speak English and French. This is not because they are incapable, but because they grew up in different times with different standards. These people are really getting discouraged by the concept of "offical languages". They will just not get into this platform if they see "Oh, it's all English and French anyway, not my thing."
Quote: "latiina"​Would you answer to a swap request written in language you don't understand? Would you like receive answers to your question on forum written in language you don't understand?
My concerns are not about the languages I speak or don't speak. My point is about the negative signal Numista sets when declaring two languages "offical", as written above.
Jarcek Numista team
Joined: 22-Dec-2014
Posts: 5313
``- By "official" it is meant that Numista is translated into those two languages. By the way, English side is viewed as multinational and occassionally, you can see forum posts in Spanish, Russian or German. There is nothing like declared official language, rather an official translation.

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MrZeke
Joined: 1-Feb-2017
Posts: 1
I have been using en.numista for a year now to look up coins, but I never realized until just now you could join the community. Is there somewhere one can view the different designs for the token without voting? I have so many questions about them? I like the one on the home page, but I really wonder what metal it will be struck in and how to get one when they become available? very cool idea!
Jarcek Numista team
Joined: 22-Dec-2014
Posts: 5313
Quote: "MrZeke"​I have been using en.numista for a year now to look up coins, but I never realized until just now you could join the community. Is there somewhere one can view the different designs for the token without voting? I have so many questions about them? I like the one on the home page, but I really wonder what metal it will be struck in and how to get one when they become available? very cool idea!
​Welcome on the site! Look here: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic55646.html

It is on the public forum. :)

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cheis
Joined: 31-Dec-2010
Posts: 67
Quote: "BlackStar"​Numista's main goal is---if I understand it right---to provide a platform to exchange numismatic objects with people all around the world, independently of location, culture and language. By depicting languages on 6 of the 7 designs of these tokens, and thus showing an unambiguous preference of certain languages over the others, they do not carry this goal anymore. These designs are biased. The only design worthy to represent the big goal is the one showing a big 10, which, in my humble opinion, isn't even the prettiest one. So I will not vote for any of the designs.
​On the same logic one could argue that the number 10 also shows a preference for a restrict kind of numeric systems for it excludes a whole lot of them. One of the designs has the representation of the number 10 in ten different numeric systems. One of the design that did not made to the finals had the number ten in the form "10" and "١٠".
It would be absolutely impossible to meet those criteria so the creators of the designs tried to use allegoric symbolism to achieve that goal.
cheis
Joined: 31-Dec-2010
Posts: 67
On the matter of felling somewhat excluded if you're not a native English or French speaking person I could only say that I never felt that.

To be fair I am a native Portuguese speaker. I have traded in English, French, Spanish and Portuguese with no problems. On a first approach you can try English or French if you don't know what languages the other collector speaks but you can simply try something like:
"Fala português?" or "Sprechen Sie Deutsch?"

I have even traded with an Albanian fellow collector who clearly used google translate to read and write his messages since I did not spoke Albanian nor did he spoke Portuguese.

People here come together for their interest in numismatics. Language never seemed to be a problem.
totes8874
Joined: 25-Feb-2015
Posts: 7
yo opino exactamente lo mismo que el amigo ICE el idioma no es problema para quienes gustamos de este bonito hobby de la numismatica saludos desde MEXICO!!!!
PaulDeLucchi
Joined: 21-Dec-2016
Posts: 23
At first I was rather disappointed that the design I selected came in third place. Later on, as I browsed thru the 2017 Red Book of US Coins, I came upon the section on Commemorative. US modern commemoratives have the exact same look and feel as our 2017 Numista chosen token. Isn't that what a token is a commemorative. The Numista members got it right . I wanted our token at first to look like US Standing Liberty Quarter (variety 1 w/no stars and exposed breast) or maybe the 20 dollar St. Gaudens gold piece. But now I know the members made the right choice and I am behind this design 100%. To the designer, job well done you captured the spirit of Numista

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