Exonumia or Legal Tender? [solved]

In another thread, I pondered why nobody ever requests exonumia from my list, not even nice silver pieces.

A couple other members raised a vald point: whether a piece is a token or a coin can be at the discretion of the staff here.

In other words, the distinction is not always objective.

So I wonder, do we know with certainty that this piece was never legal tender:

5 ECU - Baudouin I (Treaties of Rome) - Belgium – Numista

Of course, the ecu as a unit of currency has not been used in Belgium in some years, but do we have any primary source material that says this particular piece was never legal tender? I ask because it gets a full mention at NGC

Belgium 5 ECU KM 166 Prices & Values | NGC (ngccoin.com)

Thoughts?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Currency_Unit#Coins_and_notes

Maybe here are some sources linked or in one of the other language variants of this article.

I believe it is probably a commemorative coin.

Can you cite a source? Maybe some literature or an official website?

TCon

Can you cite a source? Maybe some literature or an official website?

I'd say the burden of proof here is for you to show that it's legal tender. You could reach out to the country's central bank.

Kopeika

TCon

Can you cite a source? Maybe some literature or an official website?

I'd say the burden of proof here is for you to show that it's legal tender. You could reach out to the country's central bank.

The whole point of this thread is me asking others for a primary source that states whether this piece is a coin or exonumia…

Do we know who created the Numista page for this piece? Is there a paper trail? Supporting documentation?

France issued commemorative coins with dual values in francs and ecus in the 1990s and those pieces are listed here, on Numista, as coins. So it's perfectly conceivable that this piece is, or was, legal tender, in which case it's a coin. I ask only whether anyone here knows, with certainty, one way or the other… I'm not making a declaration, I'm asking a question.

TCon

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So I wonder, do we know with certainty that this piece was never legal tender:

 

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 do we have any primary source material that says this particular piece was never legal tender? 

Typically a positive is proved, not negative disproved. 

Do we have any definitive proof that you're not just trolling? 

If this coin was legal tender, there would be plenty of documentation saying so. Until such time that this documentation is produced, this coin can be safely termed exonumia. 

Please refer to: About Numista – Numista

“The Numista catalogue is built collaboratively by its community of members, who continuously enrich the data through personal observations or literature references. Volunteer referees review the content before publication, volunteer administrators define the catalogue structure, and volunteer moderators ensure the quality of the forum discussions.”

To be clear, someone, at some point, created a page on Numista for the piece in question.

Someone, at some point, declared that this piece is exonumia.

So I ask again, can anyone cite a source, be it personal observation or literature reference, that states, with any authority, whether this piece is a coin or exonumia?

Instead of being rude and indignant, you could have done a simple google search. 

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-e&q=is+1987+ecu+legal+tender+in+belgium&safe=active

While several countries decided to actually issue ECUs, Belgium was the only one to make them legal tender. Between 1987 and 1998, Belgium minted silver coins of 5 ECU and 50 ECU gold coins. So, in a sense, our country was the first to issue a common European currency.

Here you go. It's legal tender.

Mr. Kopieka: nothing about my question or replies thereto have been rude or indignant. I have, at all times, remained polite and objective. You may wish to revise your post to omit your personal attack against me, which, in addition to violating this forum's rules, constitutes the very bahaviour of which you accuse me.

Furthermore, yes, I could have conducted a Google search. However, I chose to initiate what I had hoped to be an intelligent discourse here on Numista, my favored coin forum, and for that I make no apologies.

Finally, using your suggestion, for which I thank you very kindly, I found the source that you quoted, albeit without the proper citation:

The road to the euro | NBB Museum

In my opinion, and apparently yours, the aforesaid website constitutes a reliable source, and I will propose to Numista staff that we re-categorize this piece from exonumia to coins.

Thank you to all for your comments.

Ah yes, I see you revised your post to seem less indignant. Very well.

Mr. Kopieka, you are correct, I did revise my post, and I urge you to revise yours as well lest this thread, and this forum, collapse into a fetid swamp of petty comments.

I'm good. But thanks. 

Kopeika

I'm good. But thanks. 

A troll to the end.