Pitcairn Islands Pounds in Exonumia [solved]

Hi everyone 

I suggest to transfer the Pounds denominated coins of Pitcairn in Exonumia as fantasy currency

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In my opinion, the main criterion for transferring coins to Exonumia should be whether these coins have been issued by or with authorization from the competent authorities of the issuer in question, regardless of their monetary system or whether they are circulating or non-circulating currencies.

If these Pound denominated coins have not been issued or authorized by the Pitcairn Islands, then they should go to Exonumia.

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In my opinion, the main criterion for transferring coins to Exonumia should be whether these coins have been issued by or with authorization from the competent authorities of the issuer in question, regardless of their monetary system or whether they are circulating or non-circulating currencies.

 

If these Pound denominated coins have not been issued or authorized by the Pitcairn Islands, then they should go to Exonumia.

Yes totally, criterion is legal VS fantasy

So it is Andorra Diner.

If you move one, you should move all.

The issuance of the pieces denominated in pounds is approved by the government of the Pitcairn Islands. However, under the law of the Pitcairn Islands, the government is only allowed to issue legal tender coins denominated in dollars. Therefore the pieces denominated in pounds are not official legal tender. This was also confirmed to me by British consul to New Zealand, who is  the deputy-governor of the Pitcairn Islands. As the pieces are not legal tender (have a fantasy face value), they should be moved to exonumia. 

The government of the Pitcairn Islands also issues pieces denominated in dollars. These are legal tender coins under the law of the Pitcairn Islands (see here).  

Euromunt

The issuance of the pieces denominated in pounds is approved by the government of the Pitcairn Islands…

Doesn't make much sense, anyone can make a mistake…
But for a government official to authorise illegal coins in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 is just bizarre.

The Westminster Collection's website still states:

Fifty Pence is an official commemorative denomination of Pitcairn Islands.

As a British Overseas Territory Pitcairn are permitted to issue British sterling denominations.

[Which is true, but the creation of legal tender requires a valid currency ordinance to be issued]

Given that it's illegal to mint fake coins in the UK, and illegal to use the monarch's effigy on a fake coin, 

they would have been visited by the authorities by now and ordered to cease and desist… 

… and yet, years later, and over 100 coins later, they are still producing and selling them in the UK.

Lots of words later -- I'm unsure -- without a valid currency ordinance they cannot be legally produced.

But the government continues to allow them to be sold, which it would not do if they were illegitimate.

I'm not convinced by the argument “if it had been illegal, authorities would have made an action”

Many countries or territories in the world seem to let private mints mint some “unusual coins” for commercial purpose, without taking action, and we should not presume it makes them legal issues.