Regarding overlapping: Peter I and “his team” feared a repeat of the Copper Riot caused by the introduction of copper coins. To prevent understandable mistrust on the part of ordinary people, copper money was introduced gradually. First, in 1696, the year of issue began to be placed on silver kopecks. In 1700, new copper coins appeared. Old money remained legal tender until 1718 (the last issue was in 1717).
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Status changed to Done(Jarcek, 23 Jan 2024, 23:45)
Regarding overlapping: Peter I and “his team” feared a repeat of the Copper Riot caused by the introduction of copper coins. To prevent understandable mistrust on the part of ordinary people, copper money was introduced gradually. First, in 1696, the year of issue began to be placed on silver kopecks. In 1700, new copper coins appeared. Old money remained legal tender until 1718 (the last issue was in 1717).
Numista intended to be used by coin collectors, not by legal historian, and therefore dates of mintage matter more. The last coin was minted with the date 1717 and this shall be a date for N umista.
Correction: the decree from 17.01.1718 ordered to stop production of wire coins, but they were allowed to be in circulation..
By fact wire coins were used until 1750-th. Formal prohibition decrees of usage wire coins were issued in 1721 and 1744 (while the last decree allowed to use them for paying taxes and other fees to the state). Then it was another decree in 1754 with the same 2 years grace period….
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We should use the date when they stopped being legal tender for everything, thus 1721 if I undrestood that correctly.
I can't say for sure what exactly was in that decree and was it legally stop for such coins to be a legal tender.
I can only mention that using such a rule for most of the old coin would lead to a mess because it is often hard to define a date of them to become formally out of circulation
So, if you need to put the date that would be understandable and usable for the collectors, you shall put 1717. If you want to apply another logic like the date when they became to stop to be a legal tender, I don't care what date you will choose. You need to find the text of decrees and read what exactly was there. But it will have no usability for the collectors.
Please also correct the first date of the period to 1533 instead of 1535
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Please also correct the first date of the period to 1533 instead of 1535 - Done. :)
I will keep what is there for now. Judging by the number of decrees, it was rather decided that this should end as a currency and people were quite stubborn to let it go. I agree it is understandable, and since no new coins were made…
I'm sure we got all the Russian currencies sorted out ages ago but this thread has caused me to look again and we now have a absolute mess with currencies completely mixed up. What happened?
The problems seem to start with the failure to recognise that Russia didn't immediately become the USSR in 1917. It actually remained Russia until 1922, during which time there was the first currency reform. The USSR came into being at the end of 1922 but the RSFSR continued issuing notes and coins into 1923 before the first USSR issues, by which time another currency reform had taken place.
The link above details all the currencies we need. Please lets get this sorted and not mucked up again.
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
I realise that the lack of a referee for the Soviet issues may be part of the problem here but is there any inclination to fix the current mess? We have the three distinct ruble merged into a single “Soviet” currency dated 1921-1924 (ignoring the fact that the USSR didn't exist until late 1922) which encompases notes issued as early as 1918. Surely no one thinks this is acceptable?
Former Numista referee for banknotes from Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Saint Helena.
