Série Présidence du Conseil de l'UE [solved]

Bonjour, 

Serait-il possible de créer une “série” pour les pièces de 2 euros commémoratives émises à l'occasion de la présidence du Conseil de l'Union européenne ?  Ces pièces forment un ensemble cohérent autour d'une même thématique.

Sauf erreur, il y a à ce jour 9 pièces de ce type : Portugal 2007, France 2008, Belgique 2010, Lettonie 2015, Slovaquie 2016, Portugal 2021, Espagne 2023, Belgique 2024, et Chypre 2026. Évidemment, si j'en ai oublié, n'hésitez pas à les y mettre aussi.

Adrien

Note : si des pièces commémoratives sur ce thème ont été émises par des pays non membres de la zone euro ou avant que l'euro ne soit mis en circulation (après tout, la présidence du Conseil de la CEE, des Communautés européennes puis de l'UE existe depuis 1958), alors il serait certainement pertinent de les inclure aussi dans cette série. Je dois par contre admettre ne pas savoir s'il y en a ou pas.

Adrien

Hello,

series can be created by user - simply go to first page that needs it, modify the page and write down name of the series into the series field.

But then again, these coins are NOT a series, they only share a theme. I also try to collect one coin/medal per presidency but this should be made into a tag not a series. Some of these items are probably  already in a series and addition to 2 series is not possible.

Series, tag or whatever, as long as all these coins can be found together at one place, I'm fine. However, please people make up you mind: @SouthVikingaccepted my demand to add the series name “Présidence du Conseil de l'Union européenne” on the Cyprus 2026 coin, but now I see that this coin is in the series “Presidency of the E.U. Council”, and in parallel, this same SouthViking refused my demand on the Slovakia 2016 coin, where he instead added the series name “Presidency of the Council of the European Union”. So now, we have the very inconsistent situation with two series each with one coin, plus seven coins still waiting for approval or rejection. Also, having series names in English only is not acceptable: Numista is not English only, and we have proper French names for other series, so there is absolutely no reason that this series has only an English name and no French name. That the series have an English name is legit, but it should as much have a French name, and actually a name in each of the other languages supported by this website.

Hi, I adjusted the series name on the 2 coins you mentioned so they have the same name, for consistency.

I think as long as only 1 language is allowed for the “Series” field, it should be English - hence my initial approval and modification to English and the second rejection so that I could write it in English.

Whether this field needs to allow multi-language is a separate discussion.

Also, using the same name for several coins from different issuers of the same series will not be sufficient to be able to search them all at once: the different series (with same name) created under each issuer need to be merged. This is if I remember correctly.

There necessarily already exists a way to have series names in multiple languages, because for example, Series #60 has both the French name “10 ans de l'Euro” (with a typo, because it should be “euro” without uppercase) (see https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=60) and the English name “10 years of Euro” (see https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=60).

I may be wrong, @Jarcek can correct me here, but I think this is auto-translation of Numista. The field can only support 1 language.

If it's auto-translation, we should still be able to see a French name for this series about the presidencies of the Council of the European Union, but it's not the case (see https://fr.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=13021). As a matter of fact, even the name of the Cyprus 2026 coin is not available in French, while basically every other coin has a proper name in French…

By the way, it would be better to write clearly “Council of the European Union” : in the EU, there are two distinct institutions with the names “European Council” and “Council of the European Union” respectively, and “E.U. Council” can lead to confusion.

Toutes les autres demandes ont été acceptées, sauf une où @oynbcn a posé une question. Je me permets de le notifier ici pour qu'il comprenne la situation.

Je crains par contre qu'il y ait eu une série créée par pays (donc de fait une par pièce, hormis les deux belges qui sont ensemble et les deux portugaises elles aussi ensemble), ce qui ne va pas.

Je me permets de notifier aussi @Florino28 , qui accepté 6 de mes demandes. 

Si quiconque parmi vous sait comment faire une unique série pour ces pièces au lieu de une par pays, merci d'avance.

Hello, thank you for creating this post and mentioning me, so we can clarify this issue. Upon seeing the request regarding Spanish coin, I asked a question to understand the topic. I believe that, as explained in this other post:

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic177071.html#p1341141

this is a common theme for several European coins, but in my understanding, the fact that the theme is common doesn't mean they belong to the same series. 

Perhaps a tag could be created related to this issue, although I don't think the number of coins is large enough to warrant doing so. I would appreciate it if an administrator could clarify this.

@Jarcek 

In my opinion, this is not a series, like BramVB said here: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic176880.html#p1341027

In fact, as a referee of Spain, if I had seen the request of Sensei77 before oynbcn processed it, I would surely been rejected it. 🤣

I requested clarification on the guidelines regarding what is a series some time ago in the referee forum: https://en.numista.com/forum/topic173250.html The important thing is to have a clear concept so we can apply. Currently, each referee has a different criterion.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic176880.html#p1341047

Sensei77

now, we have the very inconsistent situation with two series each with one coin, plus seven coins still waiting for approval or rejection. Also, having series names in English only is not acceptable: Numista is not English only, and we have proper French names for other series, so there is absolutely no reason that this series has only an English name and no French name. That the series have an English name is legit, but it should as much have a French name, and actually a name in each of the other languages supported by this website.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic176880.html#p1341048

SouthViking

Hi, I adjusted the series name on the 2 coins you mentioned so they have the same name, for consistency.

I think as long as only 1 language is allowed for the “Series” field, it should be English - hence my initial approval and modification to English and the second rejection so that I could write it in English.

 

Whether this field needs to allow multi-language is a separate discussion.

 

Also, using the same name for several coins from different issuers of the same series will not be sufficient to be able to search them all at once: the different series (with same name) created under each issuer need to be merged. This is if I remember correctly.

I wrote about this questions in the referees forum a few months ago. https://en.numista.com/forum/topic173250.html#p1320035 I am copying here:

it is not explained in the FAQ and should be done.

When a series is created in an object page, it is associated to the issuer of the object, and the series can only added in other objects of the same issuer.

If the series is shared by other issuer, and you write the same name of series in an object of that other issuer, you are actually creating another series with the same name in that issuer. To use the series in other issuers, you must request in the forum the other issuer be associated to the series. This task is made by catalogue administrators. For example:
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic172512.html
https://en.numista.com/forum/topic169890.html

Another misuse: When a contributor add a series with a name in an object, the referee think the name of the series is incorrect, and edit the object writing another name. The referee is not change the name of the series, but create a new series with the correct name, and the original series with the incorrect name remains hidden in the system. Only we the translators (and the administrators, I suppose!) can see all series created.

https://en.numista.com/forum/topic176880.html#p1341050

Sensei77

There necessarily already exists a way to have series names in multiple languages

A series has names in English, French, Spanish, Italian… all languages of Numista.

When you write the name of the series in a page with the interface in French, your series has the name in French, and the other languages are pending to translate. The same if you has the interface in English.

I am moving coins to the Europa series https://en.numista.com/catalogue/series.php?id=13080 (a real series from France, whose coins have a common reverse: the goddess Europa and flags), and there is a conflict with the “series” of this topic: the coins of the year 2008 of the Europa series have the topic “French Presidency of the Council of the European Union” and now the most of them are in the other series.

I will request that these coins be moved to the correct series (Europa).

I mention this here so the referee knows why I am requesting a series change and to highlight the urgent need to clarify the series guidelines.