Real or Fake?

Thought this might be both fun and educational. Which coins are real and which ones are from the Shanghai Mint?




Winner get a signed Hillary Clinton bikini pic.

all fake

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No bikini pic for you my friend.

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No bikini pic for you my friend.

Hillary Clinton is 50 years older then me haha,

Damn thieves, no shame at all. But what could you expect from Pirate/Counterfeit capital.

All are fake except the left coin.

I will have a go ---the 2 far left and far right are real the rest are fake

All of them fake except for the Chinese trade dollar at the top.

EDIT May 19th :
also the indo china coin is real

I think the "Chinese Fat Man Dollar" and "Bolivian 8 Reales" are Fake and rest all are Real.

All are fake. And if I win, please keep the Hillary bikini picture.

I'd say that the UK crown, the NZ crown and the Indochina coin are real, the rest are fake

Good tries everyone. Kommodore called it right.

Some are so real looking it's down right scary huh? I'm sure that you would be able to spot them much easier in hand armed with a magnet and digital scale, especially as some of you are very experienced collectors. The point I guess is that buying coins on the internet is a huge leap of faith so keep your wits about you when browsing eBay and the like.

I've got quite a large collection of fakes in my "Black Museum" album. I'll try to dig out something a little more challenging later if y'all would like to see more.

So, well done Kommodore,  you have a good eye young feller. Do you want the topless version of the photo?

Thanks,  
It wasn't really difficult.
Sure

This is the most educational quiz yet, please give us a week next time!

  Just an idea, you might also try doing one coin at a time, but ether way, I enjoyed it.

The NZ crown surprises me.  In that condition its worth is basically melt value, which is only about $8.

I had a look at it. The NZ Crown, Fat Man Dollar, 5 mark and Piastre look obviously fake to me. The 8 Reales coin looks like a modern restrike (that is pretty fake but hey, it could be an "official" fake). Then the Trade Dollar looks close to real, and the colour on the GR6 5 Shillings also seems a bit strange. I was therefore in doubt which one of the 2 would be real.

Yeah, the trade dollar looks closest to being kosher. You can normally tell by the rims (the 5 mark coin and fat man dollar have bad rims for example) but the trade dollar is very concerning.

I've got a much harder one next. I'll get pictures tonight and leave it open for a while as David suggested.

Hey what was the prize?

Quote: kommodoreHey what was the prize?

Topless picture of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Just send $19.99 for shipping.

Fake contest

Hillary is not really my bag....could you get one of Angela Merkel?

Quote: pnightingaleTopless picture of Hillary Rodham Clinton. Just send $19.99 for shipping.

You just won BEST COMMENT OF NUMISTA EVER!

 

Here's one a little harder, especially for those who believe that low value coins are never counterfeited.

It's actually easier to spot higher grade fakes because all the details ought to be present but how to distinguish between bad rims and worn rims? Try your luck on this one.



No prizes this time due to the blatant disrespect shown by you foreigners towards that most honest, humble and ethical politician and shining example of a loyal wife, our future ruler, Hillary "Dead Broke" Clinton.

Quote: pnightingaleHere's one a little harder, especially for those who believe that low value coins are never counterfeited.

It's actually easier to spot higher grade fakes because all the details ought to be present but how to distinguish between bad rims and worn rims? Try your luck on this one.



No prizes this time due to the blatant disrespect shown by you foreigners towards that most honest, humble and ethical politician and shining example of a loyal wife, our future ruler, Hillary "Dead Broke" Clinton.

Top left and. Bottom right are fake

Yikes! Well, I'm going to say all the coins in the bottom row are fake. As for the top row, the left one is real, the middle coin probably so, and the right one is fake.  Probably way off base, lol, so it will be interesting to find out the answers!

I guess that the bottom left, bottom middle and the top right are fake

My guess...top right and bottom middle are fake.

Top middle is real the rest fake

Top middle and bolivar are real.

I am not familiar with this top left coin, other than that, I would have bought any of these, the two on the right look a bit odd, but all in all they all look pretty good. Now my world has just crumbled and I need to go recheck all my coins. Why would they fake these?

Quote: pnightingaleThought this might be both fun and educational. Which coins are real and which ones are from the Shanghai Mint?

The NZ crown doesn't even have the right lettering, it should say "King George the Sixth"

By the way, please keep posting these Real vs Fake challenges, as they're really interesting and useful!  Good if you can also point out what gives away the fakes, even if it's obvious.

Since nobody got it yet, I will go again. Top middle and phillipine coin is real.

Only the Swedish coin is real imho

Again good guesses but nobody got it 100% right.

The entire top row is real. All three coins on the bottom row were given a closer look because of issues. I routinely check any silver coins I receive before cataloging them, even junk silver as I'm paranoid about passing on a fake coin. Your reputation is your most important asset, right after a good quality digital scale, calipers and a loupe.

The left and right turned out to be real, underweight because of heavy circulation and the rims weak for the same reason. The 1868 French 2 Francs is without a doubt a forgery, despite being of the right weight and measurements. Fakes are normally underweight by a margin too wide to be due to wear, however in this case the forger knew his stuff and made his coins from a non magnetic "pot metal" alloy which presumably includes enough lead to make the weight right.

Contemporary forgeries are usually easy to spot because the metal darkens with age instead of toning like a real silver coin. Remember we are looking at the coin maybe 200 years later, you can be certain that the forger was keen enough on keeping his head attached to his body to make sure they were originally very real looking. There are genuine coins which do the same thing, larger George V issues for example, so an unusually dark silver coin shouldn't be discarded for that reason alone.

I've got an interesting lot to share with y'all later.

Quote: Miss MoneypennyBy the way, please keep posting these Real vs Fake challenges, as they're really interesting and useful!  Good if you can also point out what gives away the fakes, even if it's obvious.

Yes ma'am.

Crowns from the top left :

1. Looks real enough and the rims are quite good but it's about 25% underweight. (if anyone doesn't have an accurate digital scale you really need to buy one before spending another dime on coins)
2. Real looking again but check the poor quality toothed border from 11-1 o'clock.
3. Real. Notice how the rim and border is uniform.
4. Uneven rim and underweight.
5. Good fake but again underweight and magnetic.
6. Fat man dollar. 'nuff said. If you look at 1,000 fat mans on eBay at least 1,000 will be Chinese knock offs.
6. The reverse is almost perfect but the obverse rim is a complete mess despite a clear attempt to restrike it. It's also underweight.

​"I've got an interesting lot to share with y'all later."​

Can we do some more of these?

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​Can we do some more of these?

​I'll see what I can come up with David. I'll probably run out of real coins before I run out of fakes.

Hello,
Why not getting them posted there https://en.numista.com/numisdoc/modern-fakes-151.html

Send PM to Jedsada with your coin and characteristics.

Regards,

André

Thanks Phil, do you also have any convincing 2-R or 8-R to do a test with, thats what l really need to learn.

God I hope I have never given out fakes. I try my best, but they are getting to good. Just got a new digital scale.
I need to work up on this, have always been lucky to have very good people to trade with.
Yes David Jedsada is very nice please work with him. You can see my fat man dollar fake there.

Try your luck with these two. 50/50 chance of getting it right, so no Clinton bikini pics for lucky guesses. Which on is the fake and why?



In the interest of political fairness, Donald J Trump speedo pics are available on request.

No brainer - the left one is original (damn good condition!) and the right one is fake. Tell-tale signs are the edges - one part looks like well worn (and the center part is not worn at all, and the other part is still sharp. Color and surface of the right one are both damn wrong.

The right is fake. Thick rim, inspite of yellowish look.

I think the one on the left is the fake one. The number 2 in .720 is too open. I also saw the rim quality and at first glance I thought the one on the right was the fake one, in spite of the color, but now I think it is the one on he left.

Quote: "pnightingale"​Try your luck with these two. 50/50 chance of getting it right, so no Clinton bikini pics for lucky guesses. Which on is the fake and why?
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​In the interest of political fairness, Donald J Trump speedo pics are available on request.

​The one on the right is definitely the fake coin. Thick rim, weak strikes in some areas, and the color (it doesn't look like it's made of silver but then again I can be wrong).

Also no Trump speedo pics please. I want to sleep well tonight.