But I believe they have one coin commemorating the creation of the BES Islands (Caribbean Netherlands, former Netherlands Antilles).
They have jointly issued 2 trade tokens. No legal tender but they were (are?) being accepted at banks on the island. The BES islands have never issued their own coins.
1)Arubas coinage is minted by konigliche munt in the netherlands. I bought mine from there so i should know.
2)its a part of the netherlands so it should be listed under them if the other netherland-regions are treated the same.
Quote: "Muenzenhamster"1)Arubas coinage is minted by konigliche munt in the netherlands. I bought mine from there so i should know.
2)its a part of the netherlands so it should be listed under them if the other netherland-regions are treated the same.
Aruba is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, it is not part of the Netherlands. These are 2 very different things.
The BES Islands are part of the Netherlands (as special overseas municipalities) and as such are also part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Quote: "Muenzenhamster"1)Arubas coinage is minted by konigliche munt in the netherlands. I bought mine from there so i should know.
2)its a part of the netherlands so it should be listed under them if the other netherland-regions are treated the same.
1. I never said the coins were minted in Aruba. I said it's a separate currency.
2. The other constituent countries of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in the Caribbean are listed under Netherlands Antilles, not Netherlands
Trying to get a coin from each UN country with circulating coins. 20 to go!
Quote: "Muenzenhamster"1)Arubas coinage is minted by konigliche munt in the netherlands. I bought mine from there so i should know.
2)its a part of the netherlands so it should be listed under them if the other netherland-regions are treated the same.
Aruba is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, it is not part of the Netherlands. These are 2 very different things.
The BES Islands are part of the Netherlands (as special overseas municipalities) and as such are also part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
The Kingdom of the Netherlands (Dutch: Het Koninkrijk der Nederlanden; pronounced [ˈkoːnɪŋkrɛik dɛr ˈneːdərlɑndə(n)] ( listen);[6] Papiamento: Reino Hulandes), commonly known as the Netherlands,[note 7] is a sovereign state and constitutional monarchy with territory in western Europe and in the Caribbean.
The four parts of the kingdom—the Netherlands, Aruba, Curaçao, and Sint Maarten—are constituent countries (landen in Dutch) and participate on a basis of equality as partners in the kingdom.
Hamster, in my message I highlight the important difference between the country the Netherlands and the kingdom the Netherlands.
Aruba is a constituent country within the Kingdom of the Netherlands but it is not part of the country the Netherlands.
The BES Islands are part of the country the Netherlands and as the country the Netherlands is part of the kingdom, the BES Islands are also part of the Kingdom.
Unfortunately I can not make it more easy to understand than that.
The Netherlands Antilles do no longer exist since 10/10/2010. The Netherlands Antilles consisted of: the BES Islands, Aruba and Curacao and Sint Maarten. The BES Islands became part of the country the Netherlands, Curacao, Sint Maarten and Aruba are all independent countries within the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Aruba separated from Netherlands Antilles before its dissolution. Historically, there would be some reason to list it under heading of Netherlands Antilles, but its coinage history began only after they left.
We do not list South Sudan inside of Sudan, just because they were together for long time. South Sudan coinage history began after separation and that is why.
If you have better idea how to organize logically all these Dutch Carribean territorries, I am all ears, it is not so hard to reorganize them. Their history is just complex.
Quote: "Muenzenhamster"@ngdawa i had lunch with the russian ambassador? of spitsbergen in barentsburg. Its clearly russian territory there. First hand information.
of course a russian ambassador claims land on svalbard, why wouldn't he? the russian's been wanted svalbard since wwII - if not longer, but the attempts to claim the land by issuing tokens doesn't mean the norwegians are giving it away..if a russian ambassador would deny russian claims on land areas and call them not russian, he would probably be put in jail for treason..
The Svalbard Treaty, which was also signed by the USSR in 1925, states that Svalbard is part of the Kingdom of Norway, on the conditions of being a demilitarised zone and that foreigners are free to conduct economic operations there. Under these conditions the Russian coal mining company Arktikugol has exploited these rights since 1932.
Arktikugol stopped mining in 1998 but resumed operations in 2010. Tourists can visit Barentsburg by boat from Longyearbyen. There is a Russian consulate in Barentsburg, which has 500, mostly Russian and Ukrainian, inhabitants.
So Svalbard is definitely part of Norway. The coins of Arktikugol were tokens. I guess the first versions of 1946 were used as emergency money as there was a supply shortage of coins. The 1993 and 1998 coins are most likely only produced for collectors after the 1946 series became very famous due to its listing in Krause.
I believe Krause is very random in this, listing certain tokens to fame while ignoring others, for instance notgelds of Germany and France.
I think the option Jokinen has given, is a good one.
'Dutch Caribbean'
Netherlands Antilles
Aruba
BES Islands
Curaçao
Saint Eustatius
Netherlands West Indies --> Now added below the Netherlands Antilles. The Netherlands west indies wasn't only the Caribbean, but also:
-Dutch colony's in western Africa
-Suriname
-Guyana
-The Antilles
-Dutch Brazil
-Even New Holland (New York)
-Some others...
The coins from the West Indies in this Catalog are from 1794. Some of the colony's/tradeposts outside the Caribbean were still under Dutch rule in that year. I'm not sure were those coins were used though. I'm not sure if Netherlands West Indies should be added to Dutch Caribbean.
Special interest in Coins from the Low countries (Feudal-present). Former numista referee for Low Countries Feudal, Burgundian Netherlands, Spanish Netherlands, Dutch Republic, Netherlands and Netherlands East Indies.
