What is this silver coin?

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kazak
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 18:53 #
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Good evening. What is this silver coin?
nthn
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 19:29 #
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Definitely Papal states/Vatican/Italian states.
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 20:50 #
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From the 13th century on each pope has his own coat of arms and saying or spell.
The name looks like Gregorius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes
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Frenchlover Catalogue referee
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 21:03 #
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Pope Gregory (but there are some ...)
or St Gregory Nazianzus ?
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kazak
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 21:52 #
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Tell us what exactly for a coin?
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 22:15 #
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The most approching design is from Pope Gregory XI
GREGORIVS:VNDEC PP

Translation latin: 11 = UNDECIM

Gregorio XI (Pierre Roger de Beaufort), 1370-1378, the last french pope, so not obvious to find his coinage in the Papal states list ...
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kazak
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 22:53 #
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and what is the name of the coin?
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 23:16 #
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the denomination would be 'un decime' (=10 centimes)
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kazak
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Posted: 13 Oct 2017, 23:41 #
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The coin weighs 10 grams. It is normal for 10 centimes?
Frenchlover Catalogue referee
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Posted: 14 Oct 2017, 00:11 #
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No !
It's "Gregorio undecim" :D

like this one:


Unfortunately, I found only 7 types of silver coins from Gregorio XI



So perhaps a coin in Avignon ?

Denomination ?
1/4 Ecu ~10g ~28mm

Italy - Grosso, Mezzo grosso, Giulio
France - Ecu (demi, quart, douzième), Gros (demi, quart), Carlin, Demi Carlin, Douzain, Sizain, Double Tournois

No found in Poey D'Avant - Monnaies Féodales de France - Tome 2 (page 352-353)

But the papal coinage is a vast and fathomless topic ...
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ALM
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Posted: 14 Oct 2017, 14:50 #
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Quote: "PetrusAscanus"​the denomination would be 'un decime' (=10 centimes)
​lol
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kazak
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Posted: 14 Oct 2017, 15:06 #
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This is Pope Gregory XI.
But I have never seen a Gregory XI coin weighing 10 grams.
This is exactly the ecu?
PetrusAscanus
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Posted: 14 Oct 2017, 20:33 #
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Quote: "Frenchlover"​Translation latin: 11 = UNDECIM
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​oooh! very stupid of me :snif:
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Posted: 15 Oct 2017, 01:36 #
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After having glutted the web, I propose this is a commemorative medal.
There were a lot of medal to celebrate the return of the papacy to Rome. (ROMA on reverse ?)
Moreover, there is an error you never find on a papal coin : the keys on reverse are upside down (8
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