VieillePile
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 00:23
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 00:23
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Dear fellow members,
A french fellow would like the ID of a gold coin he has; 1.16 grams, 17mm diameter, picture on the french post:
https://fr.numista.com/forum/topic70840.html
It could be an almohade or hafsid coin, but the input of a native speaker / reader could be of great help
Thanks in advance,
Vieille Pile
numisquare
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 15:38
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 15:38
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Modified version of the half dinar from Hazard 560; falls in the category of Album 503
Hafsid: ¼ dinar w/o mint
abu-'Abd-Allah Muhammad I b. Yahya I
647-675 / 1249-1277
Obverse: center
لا اله الا
الله محمد
رسول الله
There is no god except
God; Muhammad
Is the messenger of God
Obverse: segments
corrected to: امنت بالله
المهدي
خليفة
الله
corrected to: I have trusted in God
al-Mahdi
Caliph of
God
Reverse: center
زكريا بن
ابي محمد بن
ابي حفص
Zakariya Son of
Abi Muhammad Son of
Abi Hafs
Reverse: segments
الامير الا
xxx جل ابو عبد
الله محمد بن
الامير ابي
The highest commander
Abu 'Abd- xxx (I could not decipher the xxx)
Allah Muhammad son of
The commander Abi
VieillePile
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 16:43
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 16:43
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Many thanks, Numisquare, your help is great,
Vieille Pile
AmerSalmeh
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 17:09
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 17:09
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Hi
I dont have references, but from reading the name on the coin, identification seems correct
The above comment is almost correct but not fully, my comments bellow:
PS: what's noted above as obverse, is basically the pic on the right; which i believe should be the reverse, as to keep ruler name on obverse
right pic
center: all correct
segments: all correct except top line
امنت بالله
I believed in God (Allah)
left pic
center: correct
reverse segments:
?الامير الا
ابو عبد ??
الله محمد بن
الامير ابي
Emir ??
?? Abu Abd
Allah Mohamad bin
Emir abi
the segments should be read first before the center, as the center part is continuation of the grand emir name
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Amer Salmeh
numisquare
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 18:49
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 18:49
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Thank you, Amer, for your comments. I have edited my post to change the first line of the obverse segment that was obviously incorrect.
The designation of obverse and reverse changes from place to place. For Ottoman coins the obverse is always the ruler's name / tughra. For medieval Islamic coins of North Africa, the obverse is designated as the side having religious phrases such as the kalima / shahadah, and the reverse side as having the ruler's name or date or other items.
VieillePile
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 19:49
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 19:49
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Gentlemen,
I have to admit that your knowledge is great.
I downloaded the Hazard "Numismatic history of late medieval North Africa". I have been cooled at once by its 559 pages !
Thanks for your commitment,
Vieille Pile
VieillePile
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 19:50
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Posted: 18 Jun 2018, 19:50
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Unless anyone wants to add a comment, I consider this issue as solved.
Vieille Pile
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