medieval 1/2 groat [solved]

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I have these coins, but I can not really find what is the legend, and so a correct determination is missing.
WhatI think I can see:
Outer ring:
BNDICTU:SIT:NOME:DNI:NRI:IHV:XPI
benedictum sit nomen domini nostri Jesu Christi
LO.DUC*LOT.BRAB.
Louis duke of Lorraine (Lotharingen) and Brabant
The capital L on the coin has a dot on the lower vertical line
MONETA ???????

coin 1:
2,5cm
2,77gr


Coin 2:
2,57cm
2,55 gr



Do these coins have any value and grade?
Thanks for helping
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Hello Petrus,

It's a groat from the end of the 14th century. The most common ones are from Flanders. I don't think this one is. Various issuers made these coins.

I agree on the legends you read but this part :
"LO.DUC*LOT.BRAB." is more likely to begin with "IO." for Iohannes (Jan), instead of Louis which would be LVD or at least LV (Lvdovicvs).
Several possibilities for a Jean, duke of Brabant during these years. There are some groats for Jan III, duke of Brabant with this specific legend break "I/O" instead of "IOH", under reference DW 359-360, but "mintmark" is MONETA BRABAN. This one has not.

The word after "MONETA" should indicate the minting city or territory.
Letter 1 and 4 are the same (F?E?R?). 2 and 3 are "I L" it seems. Last one is either D or N.
So :
"..IL..N" or "..IL..D" ?
Common names are LOVAIN, BRVXELL or BRABAN for Brabant groats. It doesn't seem to match.


OK now I found after a long time :
It's a groat under Johanna en Wenceslas (1355-1383), struck in Vilvoorde (FILFD) in 1357, ref. DW 395.
See here, p. 158.
http://www.numisbel.be/Dewitte_1.pdf

A few examples on past sales :
https://www.cgb.fr/brabant-duche-de-brabant-jeanne-et-wenceslas-gros-compagnon-au-lion-ttb,bfe_309792,a.html
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=525&lot=745
https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=lot&sid=2684&lot=442

Lovely coins, by the way !!! :love:
Thanks Choucas.
I bought them because they are Low Countries.
The seller did not really know more than they are 1/2 groat
(Altough I trust him for his knowledge and expertise, and prices)

So with devaluation, they are 1 groat :D
Never have thought the are minted in Vilvoorde.

But can it be Jean III?
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces48542.html
edit: daughter of Jean III :)
Non est totum quod splendet ut aurum
Rijkdom bestaat niet uit het hebben van veel bezittingen, maar in het hebben van weinig behoeften
Status changed to Solved (PetrusAscanus, 4 Nov 2018, 18:25)
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