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From ww1 , ww2 , korea , vietnam and so much more conflict and events what do you find shaped our life today
My personal opinion is the vietnam war 1945-1975, it has shaped our society in more ways then any other war
From military, social , economic , trust and what it is to be a patriot. i think it is one of the most influential historical event of our time.
what are your opinion on what is the most infulencial conflict.
Disclaimer------This is not to discriminate just speculation and no arguing !
The conflict that marked me the most was probably the Bosnian conflict because it was the first major conflict in Europe since the Second World War. Suddenly the war was on my doorstep with the same atrocities of ethnic cleansing that we thought outdated, so we learn nothing from history, and this conflict showed the inability of peacekeepers to intervene militarily to stop the killings, the civil war in all its atrocity. On the very site of the Olympic Games, you could see Sarajevo falling on TV with peacekeepers helpless in the face of it, without being able to do anything. It is the whole legend of a united federation behind Tito which was shattered.
Quote: "Frenchlover"The conflict that marked me the most was probably the Bosnian conflict because it was the first major conflict in Europe since the Second World War. Suddenly the war was on my doorstep with the same atrocities of ethnic cleansing that we thought outdated, so we learn nothing from history, and this conflict showed the inability of peacekeepers to intervene militarily to stop the killings, the civil war in all its atrocity. On the very site of the Olympic Games, you could see Sarajevo falling on TV with peacekeepers helpless in the face of it, without being able to do anything. It is the whole legend of a united federation behind Tito which was shattered.
nicely said, that’s is true about the post Yugoslavia wars. It was like that first major war since ww2. There where small conflicts and border wars in some communist nations but not to the scale of that war.
For me, probably World War 2 as a British person, it's still a considerable part of our lives today and we won't be forgetting it anytime soon. My problem with the Vietnam war being the "most" influencial would be that other countries other than Vietnam or the US would be little affected by it other than the overal world-wide view on war changing.
Quote: "AshsCollectablesStore"For me, probably World War 2 as a British person, it's still a considerable part of our lives today and we won't be forgetting it anytime soon. My problem with the Vietnam war being the "most" influencial would be that other countries other than Vietnam or the US would be little affected by it other than the overal world-wide view on war changing.
true they where effected very little economically but politically and socially the whole world was touched, search up Vietnam war protest world wide in the 60’s and even as far as turkey and England people protested. No so much for the sides of the war but for the need of change in the social world and all people needed to be treated equally.
ww2 is my second fav war, it’s so cool how every one was involved and the differ theatres. British army was the best that Brodie helmet never gets old.😀
Definitely WWII which is [most probably] the most deadliest war in the history, WWI which leads to disappearing of four empires and rewriting borders in Europe, and the Russian Civil War which leads to 10+ mln deaths and establishing of USSR.
I understand that personal ratings are mostly based on the nation of the person who make this ratings, but I don't think that Vietnamese war or the other USA invasions make some great influence on the countries other then invaded ones.
To continue the rating I think it is worth to mention Chinese Civil War which leads to the China's new regime establishing.
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My personal opinion is the vietnam war 1945-1975, it has shaped our society in more ways then any other war
From military, social , economic , trust and what it is to be a patriot. i think it is one of the most influential historical event of our time.
For much of Southeast Asia I would tend to agree with you. In Vietnam they call it the American War. It was another grand attempt by the USA to divide and conquer with no real game plan. The influence today in Vietnam is a lasting legacy of new generations still being born with the effects of agent orange causing deformities. In Cambodia and Lao there is still the influence of dozens still being killed and maimed by unexploded ordinance. In Thailand the legacy of Pattaya lives on as a sex tourism destination compliments of gi's that needed their desires relieved. It's a great place to collect viruses such as hiv and syphilis if covid19 is not enough for you. The great thing about the Vietnamese is that by and large they have forgiven Americans for their dirty little war as they call it. If you ever find yourself in Ho Chi Minh there is a must see called the War Remembrance Museum. It will open your eyes to things that are swept under the rug in the usa.
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My personal opinion is the vietnam war 1945-1975, it has shaped our society in more ways then any other war
From military, social , economic , trust and what it is to be a patriot. i think it is one of the most influential historical event of our time.
For much of Southeast Asia I would tend to agree with you. In Vietnam they call it the American War. It was another grand attempt by the USA to divide and conquer with no real game plan. The influence today in Vietnam is a lasting legacy of new generations still being born with the effects of agent orange causing deformities. In Cambodia and Lao there is still the influence of dozens still being killed and maimed by unexploded ordinance. In Thailand the legacy of Pattaya lives on as a sex tourism destination compliments of gi's that needed their desires relieved. It's a great place to collect viruses such as hiv and syphilis if covid19 is not enough for you. The great thing about the Vietnamese is that by and large they have forgiven Americans for their dirty little war as they call it. If you ever find yourself in Ho Chi Minh there is a must see called the War Remembrance Museum. It will open your eyes to things that are swept under the rug in the usa.
The Vietnam war started even during ww2 then to the indochina war then to the Vietnam war
like many people think the Vietnam war just in Vietnam but it stretched to Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand. Many conflicts in the region also sparked like insurgents in the Philippines, Malaya and Burma. And personally they all connect and where all going on during the same era and the forces over lapped each war. Even tho i am not American I’m more supporting it through the allies that where also involved like Australia and all the nations that sent aid and troops. Plus many people where drafted from other nations that came to America to participate like Canada, British and French.
plus even after the Vietnam war was done so many wars continued in the region. Sino Vietnamese war, Cambodia Vietnam Conflict, Thai and Laos insurgents and many other little wars that’s still haunt the region.
it was in the region from all the way from the early 20 century to the 21 century. I think we always try to hide this war when it was very influential . Like many wars fight with bad and good evil and god. But Vietnam had a message that relates to many people no matter who you where, “what does it mean to listen to ones own Gut”
I suggest watch the Vietnam war documentary it really opend my mind up 😀
I'd like to be able to say that WWII was the most influential because of the sheer depravity it exposed in our make up. It really ought to have been the war to end all wars but as we have all seen, it wasn't. If 20 million dead Russians, the "Final Solution", the Dresden firebombing, the Rape of Nanking, the vaporising of Hiroshima and finally the Rhine Meadows couldn't convince us to stop slaughtering each other then I'm afraid we will never cease. None of the participants emerged with much to their credit.
It's often described in the US as a "good war". I'm not in agreement. It lead to the US replacing the British Empire as the dominant player, with mostly bad results. It consigned a generation and more of East Europeans to a bleak life under the Communist boot. I wish with all my heart that we will never go down that path again but I fear it's only a matter of time.
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My personal opinion is the vietnam war 1945-1975, it has shaped our society in more ways then any other war
From military, social , economic , trust and what it is to be a patriot. i think it is one of the most influential historical event of our time.
I suggest watch the Vietnam war documentary it really opend my mind up 😀
Are you referring to the Ken Burns series? If not, that is one of the best that truly shows the atrocities committed against the southeast Asian people.
You are correct about the war going back to world war 2. It's unfortunate that the French marginalized the Asian people and hastened communism taking hold in the region. With the French drowning in their own ineptitude they handed off the job to the USA who at the time was very paranoid about communism and by and large still are and felt the way to combat communism was to show off the power of their WMD's. The Thai people fared much better from American aggression when King Rama 9 had the foresight to maintain the democracy in the kingdom. If not for that, Thailand could today be a very poor country like Lao and Cambodia.
Hope you come to southeast Asia sometime to see how beautiful this place and the people are. The Cambodians have been some of the most helpful and friendly people I have ever met. You can never beat having a UN World Heritage sanctioned Thai massage. They are fantastic.
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My personal opinion is the vietnam war 1945-1975, it has shaped our society in more ways then any other war
From military, social , economic , trust and what it is to be a patriot. i think it is one of the most influential historical event of our time.
I suggest watch the Vietnam war documentary it really opend my mind up 😀
Are you referring to the Ken Burns series? If not, that is one of the best that truly shows the atrocities committed against the southeast Asian people.
You are correct about the war going back to world war 2. It's unfortunate that the French marginalized the Asian people and hastened communism taking hold in the region. With the French drowning in their own ineptitude they handed off the job to the USA who at the time was very paranoid about communism and by and large still are and felt the way to combat communism was to show off the power of their WMD's. The Thai people fared much better from American aggression when King Rama 9 had the foresight to maintain the democracy in the kingdom. If not for that, Thailand could today be a very poor country like Lao and Cambodia.
Hope you come to southeast Asia sometime to see how beautiful this place and the people are. The Cambodians have been some of the most helpful and friendly people I have ever met. You can never beat having a UN World Heritage sanctioned Thai massage. They are fantastic.
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yea the ken burns was the one i was referring to. it was really good and showed all the perspectives. not some american propaganda nor was it communist propaganda. it was just the truth, and i liked it like that because its truth that matters. the irony is they though communism would talk over south east asia after cambodia , laos and vietnam fell and cambodia returnd to a monarchy and vietnam is open to the world now.
The great war has to be the most influential because it changed the way we viewed war.
In the 1800s the best military technology was cannons and war was mostly fought hand to hand or on horseback. War was viewed as a noble endeavour and it was a mark of honour to fight and prove your manhood. But technology had advanced so much, so quickly since the late 1800s that we became too efficient at killing each other. War wasn't about who had the best fighters but who had the best technology. The invention of tanks, machine guns, air bombing, chemical weapons, the huge advancement of heavy artillery technology turned the WWI battlefields into absolute carnage. Perceptions of war changed from being noble to being utter hell. There was a great resentment from soldiers towards officers who sat miles behind the front lines sending millions to die in the meat grinder and by the time WWII came along there was not the same fervor to rush off to battle than there had been going into WWI.
It was a global conflict, it changed the way we fought wars. It destroyed the old order in Europe and it bought down an economic system.
Many countries that formerly had robust currencies propped up by precious metal reserves, were now reeling from the economic shock and issuing currencies propped by promises rather than reserves. I mean look at British coins, which had to become deabsed after 1919.
It also saw the rise of America as a saviour, as they basically bailed Europe out in the 1920s and the 1950s.
WW1 was a definite catalyst to WW2 as Germany was humiliated at Versailles had an economic collapse and saw a severe depression which led to the rise of the most horrible and stupid regime on planet earth, that practiced genocide, fear, violence and held the world to ransom.
Now we have a world populated by several stupid and hostile regimes.
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In my opinion WWI and WWII can be viewed as a single conflict with the fighting moving off the battle fields and into the markets for a while.
And I consider it to be the most influential, though probably not for the same reasons others might.
Probably the most influential video for me is this one.
It really changed how I study history.
I agree, greed caused wars - part of Hitler's manifesto was that it was the greed of rich men (Mostly Jews in his opinion, but in reality Christian Americans and greedy bankers throughout Europe along with greedy and corrupt empires - Jews actually had little power and were a convenient scape goat).
Also looking at World War One catastrophies like Gallipoli - it was the stupidity and vanity of the Generals and high ups that cost the lives of millions of young men - nearly all lower ranked enlisted men. War was savage and brutal to all, but over 90% of all men who died were Privates and non combat troops (Many colonial troops and non Europeans like Maori and Indians who were cannon fodder for the British).
Gallipoli was quoted as "Lions led by donkeys" and that reads true.
In New Zealand a Maori Prophet called Rua Kenana (1869 - 1937) was arrested for saying "Let the white man fight the white man's war". Shirkers and deserters were punished harshly by being shot by a fire squad, groups like Quakers who were pacifists had a hard time.
The economic cost was high - but human cost was incalculable, a generation of young men struck down in their prime - Twice.
But at the end, some of the powers that be changed, we still have rick pricks and greedy bankers running our lives, but the life of the common man is at least a bit better now and in civilised and democratic countries, mostly have abandoned national service and conscription into the army (Israel being a GLITTERING exception).
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Just a very incomplete and partial view of the geopolitics, confusing the head and the stomach means putting the driver and the car on the same level. Historically speaking, to say that it was the English who started WW2 for simple economic reasons is called historical revisionism. It is an offense which might be punishable.
By dint of saying nonsense and turn the history, some people come to believe that the first men rubbed shoulders with the dinosaurs or that it is necessary to drink ammonia to heal from the Covid.
Historically speaking, to say that it was the English who started WW2 for simple economic reasons is called historical revisionism.
Say what!
It was the French, Americans and Brits who humiliated the Germans at Versailles and as I believe the French wanted blood after the Germans destroyed the economy there and turned the north eastern part into a mud filled gopher field.
Plus it was tit for that between the Germans and French, the Germans humiliated them in 1871, the French got their back in 1919 and the Germans in 1940. Amazing how many wars came out of silly tit for tat feuds (Look at Israel and Palestine).
But saying the Brits started WW2 is perposterous unless it was because they kept trying to placate Hitler until they finally realised that he was just wanted world domination. The British wanted to protect their empire and recover after the depression, not have another war and honestly the American's were not interested either (They only entered when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour).
However I will end my political discussion here.
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Historically speaking, to say that it was the English who started WW2 for simple economic reasons is called historical revisionism.
Say what!
It was the French, Americans and Brits who humiliated the Germans at Versailles and as I believe the French wanted blood after the Germans destroyed the economy there and turned the north eastern part into a mud filled gopher field.
Plus it was tit for that between the Germans and French, the Germans humiliated them in 1871, the French got their back in 1919 and the Germans in 1940. Amazing how many wars came out of silly tit for tat feuds (Look at Israel and Palestine).
But saying the Brits started WW2 is perposterous unless it was because they kept trying to placate Hitler until they finally realised that he was just wanted world domination. The British wanted to protect their empire and recover after the depression, not have another war and honestly the American's were not interested either (They only entered when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour).
However I will end my political discussion here.
the one part of both world wars that people always forget about the country’s why every one went to war in the first place. Poland is the country why every one went crazy in Europe which every one fought for and with. They fought for there nation and homeland while other fought for money and greed. In the end of the war it was America and Russia who took the fame with Poland being left out and unrecognized. It’s the nations who where forgotten that are the most fascinating. The last most forgot part of ww2 is that after ww2 war fonished already around the world in months after wars started in Vietnam and Israel. It was a world that did not end with peace but more violence
And also bear in mind, it was tiny Serbia that ignited the First World War, had Gavrilo Princip not shot Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo on June 28th 1914, things may have been very different.
(Getting back in my box now)
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