I guess the point of adding a new language would be increasing membership in which case Japanese or Chinese. Most of the western world is covered by English and French while adding the before mentioned languages would help expand Numista into Asian countries.
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Quote: "Houseofham"In my opinion, the best candidates are:
1. Mandarin Chinese
2. Spanish
3. Arabic
+1 especially looking at users stats.
But I also agree on the fact that we are unable to keep consistency for 2 languages, so I can’t imagine 3 or 4. Some drop down liste for shape, edge, proof first need to be put in place before we can just imagine to add more on top.
As far as I understand, Chinese numismatics are mostly concentrated in Chinese coins collecting, so I think Spanish may give more new users. Big part of the calalog may be automatically translated and if the job of attracting Spanish speaking referees will be organized, it may give a big impulse to the Numista
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Quote: "Idolenz"We can't even run 2 languages at full synchronicity I don't think throwing more on that pile is productive.
Are you talking about the translation of coin descriptions in the catalogue entries?
Two questions should be separated: translation of the main part (menus, buttons, warning messages, maybe country names) and translation of coin descriptions. The second task is nearly impossible to accomplish in full (unless an army of users could be incited to undertake it), but the first one seems quite manageable.
(I'm relying here on experience of other site.)
As for the initial question, a good idea would be to look at the usage statistics.
Personally I would like to see German. Most Germans tough can speak and understand english.
for the benefit and growth for Numista I would say:
Spanish
Chinese
Arabic
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Quote: "numinis"Two questions should be separated: translation of the main part (menus, buttons, warning messages, maybe country names) and translation of coin descriptions. The second task is nearly impossible to accomplish in full (unless an army of users could be incited to undertake it), but the first one seems quite manageable.
But what use is a site to you where you understand the menu buttons but not the coin pages.
Auto translation in most cases is also still subpar for some languages and absolute garbage for most others.
I'm just not convinced that we are able to stem another big task right now without compromising quality somewhere else.
Also the next logical step would be to split the fora even further and we would have not much from the extra people and their expertice or the currrent fora would be flooded by people who most others don't understand.
From the rest, I recon Chinese (mandarin, etc.) is possibly the language with most talkers in the world, and next is Hindi. On 3rd. place comes Spanish.
Now, Chinese and Hindi also use other different alphabet to the one used on the current Numista languages (English and French), so my vote is for Spanish, also keeping in mind that Spanish is the second native language in the world, after Chinese (yes, even more people learnt Spanish as first language than English or French).
And, of course, if ever happens to Spanish be the 3rd. Numista language, I would help too much on translating and maintenance.
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Quote: "BCNumismatics"Another language we should consider adding is Portuguese - spoken in quite a few countries, apart from in Portugal & Brazil.
Brazilian Portuguese is not the same language as in Portugal though.
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Portuguese is far away on amount of talkers, Arabian and Russian are about on similar amount.
On the other hand, Brazilian and Portuguese versions are not so different, I would say there are more variations on the different regions of Brazil, North, Center and South regions talk a bit different, but they all understand each other, same as British, American and Australian English variants. Same for Spanish, depending on the country or region, some words maybe different, but mostly variants. Also I would say Spanish and Portuguese talkers can understand each other, without great problems. (I know as Brazil have borders with my country, so may Brazilians come here and I have gone to Brazil, and in general we can understand without having learnt the other language)
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Instead of adding languages, you let people write up their posts in any language, but there is a "Translate" option right next to it, as for example on Twitter.
This would work here in the Forum, not the catalogue, but I don't see the use of adding a third language in the catalogue.
Quote: "Camerinvs"What if...
Instead of adding languages, you let people write up their posts in any language, but there is a "Translate" option right next to it, as for example on Twitter.
This would work here in the Forum, not the catalogue, but I don't see the use of adding a third language in the catalogue.
About automatic translate, is not easy to find a good one, and in such case, only would work fine if words are correctly spelled, you know some people write without taking care of making it correct, and also there are possible mistakes.
With regards to third language, is an option to increase amount of members, not everybody is fluent in English and/or French; and when is a new collector, would not need to find right meaning of technical words. Using their native language would make browsing Numista more comfortable.
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I translated ucoin.net into simplified Chinese last year (The traditional Chinese version is google translated and so lame that I don’t even bother to improve it). Always difficult to maintain i18n resources, sometimes I want a English word to have multiple translations in different scenarios but there is only one field I can fill in. Besides, there is no single short word meaning “offer” in Chinese
I think Italian, German and Spanish and perhaps Portuguese will cover a large part of the world
And I think the site could be organized to be fully synchronized with respect to languages, see eg ColNet
There would be technical problems (English -> Chinese translation; Chinese Traditional & Chinese Simplified translation and compatibility) and political problems (which form of Chinese characters should be presented) if Chinese language is implemented. And this could be very painful
There's still one more problem - cataloging problem. Especially for Chinese coinage section, Chinese collectors has total different cataloging system comparing to us, which adopts mainly David Hartill.
So is it worth to wave hands to them? Think about it
I would say Spanish or Arabic. Most Chinese collectors I've come across so far focus on collecting commemorative coins from their own country. It would be great to allow these collectors to view the section from China/Hong Kong/Macau/ Taiwan in Chinese but I don't think there is a need to translate the rest of the catalogue into Chinese.
