Should this Mule Coin have a separate Numista Page? [solved]

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Just a general question for all members interested in €2 Commemorative coins ....

This commemorative €2 coin >>>> https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2994.html <<<< 2 Euro Bundesländer - "Hamburg"
was issued in 2008 by all five German mints.

It was supposed to have the "New" Europe Map on the reverse. The Stuttgart Mint (F) accidentally issued 600,000 of them with the "Old" Europe Map on the reverse. They realised their error and issued their remaining allocation, 9,000,000, with the correct reverse.
(By the way the mintage figure on the page for the normal coin needs to be corrected)


On Numista we have got the normal coin and the Mule coin on the same page, on different mintage lines (See above).

Because the Mule coin has a different reverse, even though it is a mint error, it is actually a different coin.

So should it have its own separate page? Personally I think it should, but I am interested in what others think.

I have got one of these Mules and a new page can be created if required.

Regards - Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 
I can live with it, where it is, because I can see it together with the other coins from that year. If you give it it's own page, it'll kind of being lost, if you don't know it exists?
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
It seems that mules generally get a separate page on Numista (and a separate type in Krause).

To avoid them getting lost there should be comments on all three coins and links in the See Also section between the related coins.
You're of course right with the links, but since it's a numista member making the CR, you cannot be sure it's always done correctly!
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
No separate page
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5697.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1632.html
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces1633.html , here no mention of the coin being a mule, I'll have to make a cr



Separate page
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces5675.html

I'm not going any further, but it's clear, it's mule jungle out there! No rules!
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
At least identify it with the correct Krause number A261.


??? and in SCWC I didn't find it either, a mystery?
Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Quote: "Sjoelund"

​??? and in SCWC I didn't find it either, a mystery?
​It's not India but Germany.
It's not in Numista as A261.
It's A261 in SCWC:
I didn't figure out that "it" referred to the first coin in the thread8)

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com
Oh. Yes, the subject coin is KM# A261, not KM# 261.
Quote: "rsirian1"​Oh. Yes, the subject coin is KM# A261, not KM# 261.
​Now that is interesting. If the coin has a separate KM# then It would seem that it should have a separate Numista Number?
The only way to get a unique Numista Number is to have a separate page.

Of course listed with links to the non-mule coin it is derived from, with comments etc describing how it occured etc.

Mike
Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 
It seems reasonable to me that all mule coins should have their own independent page, separate from the coins of which it shows the obverse and reverse.

In fact, it is obviously a different coin than the two from which it comes, even if other catalogs do not have that distinction (in this case it seems that Krause does).
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Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I have created the separate Numista page for the Mule coin (KM# A261) It is N#327881

(Just awaiting validation.)

 

Can an Admin please delete the 600,000 Mintage line on the normal coin N#2994

and move members who have the Mule coin to the new page for the Mule coin?  

 

Regards Mike

Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 

I would give it its own page. I will have to review the Canadian catalog and do the same. 

 

Regards,

 

P.S. A "Mule" coin is defined as a coin where an incorrect die was used to strike either the obverse or reverse.

Québécois

Ancienement, référent du Canada /  FYI former referee for Canada

Own page.

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I am still waiting for the new page to be validated. Things move slowly in the Eurozone sometimes?

 

Mike

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brismike

I am still waiting for the new page to be validated. Things move slowly in the Eurozone sometimes?

 

Mike

I don't know the date you actually created the page, but sometimes my new page or edit requests have taken months to be resolved. Referees have other responsibilities (and sometimes their interest in Numista waxes and wanes). I know of one referee who had COVID-19 recently and didn't work on Numista because of that.

 

But they all get processed eventually. (Currently I only have two pending, from 12 May, but most of the request I've made since 12 May have been Validated.)

I know what is involved in a referee duties. I am one myself. I pride myself on responding very quickly, but also understand that for some other referees it might take a little longer.

 

However when other requests for Euro coins I have submitted before and after the one in question have been dealt with, and the one I have put up is done perfectly, it is frustrating that it seems to have been ignored.

 

However patience is a virtue I am told.

 

mike

Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 

Volunteers at work, it takes the time it takes and please don't complain😆

Globetrotter
Coin varieties in French:
https://monnaiesetvarietes.numista.com

I've submitted many change requests to this referee, so has Ole.  Normal turn time is one day, many times just hours.  I'd suggest if it's taken longer than that it's because of reasons other than normal processing time.

Happy to report that the new page for the 2008 2 Euro Bundesländer - "Hamburg" mule coin issued by the “F” Karlsruhe Mint has now been validated.

N#327881

 

The page for the normal coin has also been updated with the correction of its mintage and removal of the mintage line relating to the mule coin. 

N#2994

 

All members owning the mule coin have been moved to the new page.

 

Regards Mike

Master Referee - See my profile for what I collect.
 
Status changed to Solved (brismike, 1 Jun 2022, 10:27)

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