Is it time to have a major change to the forum?

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It has come to my attention that on many occasions, the forum sometimes generates ill feelings and ill will to and from different members (I am guilty of this myself) and can occasionally generate full on arguments resulting in members being banned from posting for a set amount of time and or lead to members deactivating their accounts or avoiding the forum altogether. Where these disagreements (often not about coins / exonumia or banknotes), clash are through culture / political or geographical ideology, and tend to start in deep routed simple misunderstanding of what has been written or a presumption of how the member is writing his or hers comment. 
 

As a simple and non specific example, member A writes a reply with the actual intention of being helpful, witty and informative, however member B reads the reply as being aggressive, arrogant and sarcastic. If this is to do with problems in writing in one language and the understanding of actual said meaning and intention of the words, or due to the current mood of the member at the time, I cannot speculate. However I feel that even with the forum policy and the great work that the Administrators put in to cool a heated discussion down, the forum could and should be improved to negate these confrontations. I think the following problems could to be addressed to stop such misunderstandings;

 

1. 

Problem - long standing members disagreeing over the best way to help new members with their questions through having differing beliefs and or ideas.

Causes - disagreements between members who would like to help, members who often help (but are sometimes getting annoyed at new members not helping themselves) and the new members who sometimes believe the forum is their right to an answer.

Partial Solution - Automated Robot requesting images.

 

2.

Problem - Forum becoming cluttered with requests from one time members to identity and value their coins.

Causes - people’s desperation to become rich, but having no intention of using the website for its main purpose, instead just creating an account to post in the forum once, never to be seen again.

Partial Solution - none.

 

3.

Problem - the Forum has become separated and incoherent, with worthy posts being lost in certain sections and unrelevant posts clogging up the more popular sections.

Causes - members just posting something under any section, lack of knowledge on forum policy (not reading) and protocol.

Partial Solution - Forum Policy, moderators moving questions from one section to another.

 

4.

Problem - lots of identification requests for ancient or unusual language coins, for example Roman or Arabic.

Causes - (my assumption here) majority of members are not using the catalogue to search via weight, size or using imaging option.

Partial Solution - none.

 

 

Further Solution ;

- Further automated robot requests requiring a link to the Numista page. (Perhaps requires subject drop down list)

- Other automated robot request; new members required to read forum policy, search the catalogue with „lettering, weight, dimensions, etc) and not just „denomination“.

- Having an automatic redirection to the FAQ page upon first forum post for new members, only allowing them to post to the forum only after they have tried to answer their own question first. 
- Having a grace period before new members can post to the forum after creating an account.

- Forcing members to first search the catalogue using various search methods. (From my personal experience I know how difficult it is to search ancient coins, yet I have always scrolled through hundreds of possibilities from the weight and size inputs alone on the search function.) 

- Restrictions on the number of identification or valuation requests members can post to the forum.

- Reducing the number of forum sections.

- Having a forum referee like a catalogue referee.

- Assigning identification and valuation requests to specific volunteer members.

Ideas from other members;

- DizzyBlue - How about change the title wording on the folder “Coin Identification and valuations” to just “Coin Identification” and if members choose to add valuations that's up to them. Might be less tempting for people to join and just ask for values?

- Dejan - As for identification requests, I suggest a kind of questionary to be filled, with max info a member can provide about the coin BEFORE posting. Or the key to open a thread should be a “search by image” first, something like “captcha”.

 

These are just my thoughts, do other members think the forum has become too tetchy? too cluttered? none welcoming? 
And more importantly, do members think it needs improving? changing? modifying? Or is it working fine as it is? Does anyone have any other ideas to improve the forum or have opinions about my „further solutions“ above?

 

I just feel sometimes less and less members are joining the conversations in the forum for one reason or another. I know sometimes I have to take a break from the forum.

„If your reply or post in the Forum stinks of AI, I will call you out! Knowledge comes from experience, the I in AI stands for incompetence.“

How about change the title wording on the folder “Coin Identification and valuations” to just “Coin Identification” and if members choose to add valuations that's up to them. Might be less tempting for people to join and just ask for values? There seems to be a differentiation of peoples thoughts for charities asking about values to resell and business' wanting values to resell, the information is on the information pages of the coins in the vast majority of cases plus they can google themselves about past sales etc on things like ebay etc.

Personally speaking I had heaps of trouble with some coins as in some very old indian coins which I didn't even know the country/area let alone which way up the coin should be. I've now learned about the image search on here but to tell the truth I've been using the image search on google to help me find the right country/area/province then searched here after its been narrowed down. 

 

I'm not a collector more of a gatherer 😁 some coins are just so beautiful and intricate little works of art in their own right. I joined for access to the catalogue and to be able to list my coins and it was one of the first sites that came up on the internet it just so happened to have a forum to ask questions. I'm not really interested in values but have had some “your kidding me” moments on seeing them.

 

Wherever internet people gather there is always differences of opinion or clashes of personality or posts read in a different way to how it was meant to sound it depends on the frame of mind of the reader and poster at that moment in time.

I have a forum myself and 14 years in some days I think ….WHY did I get into this and other days its just plain sailing, being Admin means zero away time from forum. Hence its 3.44am and I have already checked my forum made sure nobody is left without a response or reply even if its to say I'm sorry I don't know the answer but will have one for you later or tag somebody to help who does have the answer. Nature of the beast - I understand that and sympathise with folks running forums voluntarily. And that said …. I really do appreciate peoples assistance that has been given so thank you to all 🥰

King: “- Having a grace period before new members can post to the forum after creating an account.”

Something I asked for a long time ago!

As for identification requests, I suggest a kind of questionary to be filled, with max info a member can provide about the coin BEFORE posting, so that the title will bear at least the relevant country (or geographic area if country not certain) and period. That way, only collectors with interest in that field will open the post, saving time and trouble to those who are not familiar with the topic!

Besides, the key to open a thread should be a “search by image” first, something like “captcha”.

I think you see a problem where is none.  It is a forum of course people will disagree sometimes. The amount of posts where the discussion have turned into an argument is almost 0. Some of the solutions you wrote seems a bit to much…like forcing members to do something, or reducing the number of sections. This last one would make a total mess. Restrictions on the number of identification or valuation requests members can post to the forum, why? How many coins should a member be allowed to post? 1, 5 , 10 a day/week/month? In the past I used that section of the forum and posted a couple of times a day to get help identifying coins, and I am not a new member who will leave after getting his answers. Also if 11 years ago when I joined Numista there was a grace period before I could post something on the forum, maybe I would have left. Same thing could happend now. New visitors means more traffic and that is good for any web site especially if they decide to ‘stay’.  Overall there is only a simple solution, read just the sections of the forum you are interested in, and just ignore the rest.

- Having a grace period before new members can post to the forum after creating an account.

I have proposed a one week new-user period where they are not allowed to post to reduce the number of spam posts.  It was partially accepted and implemented and partially rejected.  The part accepted is a 24 hour wait period but only for new members identified as potentially risky.  A wait period for all new members will not happen.

allexis

I think you see a problem where is none.  It is a forum of course people will disagree sometimes. The amount of posts where the discussion have turned into an argument is almost 0. Some of the solutions you wrote seems a bit to much…like forcing members to do something, or reducing the number of sections. This last one would make a total mess. Restrictions on the number of identification or valuation requests members can post to the forum, why? How many coins should a member be allowed to post? 1, 5 , 10 a day/week/month? In the past I used that section of the forum and posted a couple of times a day to get help identifying coins, and I am not a new member who will leave after getting his answers. Also if 11 years ago when I joined Numista there was a grace period before I could post something on the forum, maybe I would have left. Same thing could happend now. New visitors means more traffic and that is good for any web site especially if they decide to ‘stay’.  Overall there is only a simple solution, read just the sections of the forum you are interested in, and just ignore the rest.

 

I think maybe one of my biggest points was that members aren’t using the forum as much as maybe they would like because of the clutter, and if they do stay as members they don’t use the forum that much. I want all new members to stay and be part of the community and feel engaged and encouraged to use the forum - I am not trying to find ways to discourage new users, just asking if the forum could be improved - because I think it could be better than it is now. New visitors is good for this website, I want them to decide to stay, but please look at this https://en.numista.com/forum/liste_membres.php , choose any letter and scroll through and see how many „members“ haven’t recorded even 1 coin or 1 banknote in their collection, then click on that member and see how active they are?


Over 60% of members are not returning. 

„If your reply or post in the Forum stinks of AI, I will call you out! Knowledge comes from experience, the I in AI stands for incompetence.“

As of 7/20/2025:

Members with at least 1 object in their collection 33.1%

Members with zero objects in their collection 66.9%

10.3% do not allow the number of objects in their collection to be displayed so assuming they have at least 1 object in their collection it becomes 60% no objects, 40% some objects.

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