Yet another swindler with multiple accounts. His address is posted at ColNect. Anyone getting too good to be true offers from India might want to check it out before you get cheated.
Also take a note of the names of the ones who gave him 5 stars for great swaps. When clicking their profiles, you might find that it is always the same names on their sites giving the rates to each other.
YES THERE MAY BE A FEW GENUINE SWAPS TOO, so not to take notice of all. But the cross-rating between certain names is very continuous and if one of them is a total scammer then there is likelihood that they all are as it can be same person/friends
There appear to be several newer accounts that are sharing positive feedback, mainly among themselves. I hope this is just a coincidence, this time around. The troubles via Indian Post continue for some... https://en.numista.com/echanges/profil.php?id=16093 Others claim it is safe and offer advice on how best to send out of India. Where do you distinguish between truth, lies, competence, incompetence, bad luck or the intentional disappearance of coins? I really can't tell.
Also take a note of the names of the ones who gave him 5 stars for great swaps. When clicking their profiles, you might find that it is always the same names on their sites giving the rates to each other.
YES THERE MAY BE A FEW GENUINE SWAPS TOO, so not to take notice of all. But the cross-rating between certain names is very continuous and if one of them is a total scammer then there is likelihood that they all are as it can be same person/friends
Very perceptive Sir!
It's pretty obvious who the main account belongs to. It's been going on for a long time now.
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It's pretty obvious who the main account belongs to. It's been going on
for a long time now.
Sir.. gulp!!! erm.... actually its a lady-collector here.
OK, then me-detective goes to work cos I wanna figure out who it is not to get caught in their scams.
I'd like to know, but I understand you can't just post a name here in forum in case if wrong..
ha ha, yep the real thing with all the parts and long hair.
Meh, yes, thats me, the Geek. But geeks are cool and so are geeky activities (or at least so we try to convince ourselves).
Going off topic here...
Yeah, anyway, keep the swindler warnings coming. I think at first I try to stick to swaps that have billion feedbacks, or at least that have one feedback from someone trustable who's been on site long.
Great, I got to do my David Attenborough impersonation
"And here we have a fine example of the Numismatic Feminis or female coin collector. Until recently, believed to be merely a creature of legend, this shy creature has only recently been identified. Here we see her playing in her natural habitat on Numista.com amongst the far more numerous Numismatic Hominis. Can the two share the same habitat in harmony, that only remains to be seen.
Quote: neilithicGreat, I got to do my David Attenborough impersonation
"And here we have a fine example of the Numismatic Feminis or female coin collector. Until recently, believed to be merely a creature of legend, this shy creature has only recently been identified. Here we see her playing in her natural habitat on Numista.com amongst the far more numerous Numismatic Hominis. Can the two share the same habitat in harmony, that only remains to be seen.
LOL lol lol, I laughed my head off, read it out loud with my very bad Attenborough impersonation.
Quote: madhunagaI was once lectured by many that I should not be complaining about being cheated. But it seems even his ID can be displayed and no lecture...hmmm
Perhaps I will get another ban and you can feel happy.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: madhunagaI was once lectured by many that I should not be complaining about being cheated. But it seems even his ID can be displayed and no lecture...hmmm
The individual you accused was on his first negative rating and still is to this day. Here we have a topic that started after the fifth swindle in November 2013 and the account has been terminated. I see a big difference between the post you started and the one pnightingale started. On this one, the criteria for a dishonest swap history has been met. On your topic it has not been met, not even up to this point in time.
Since you are bringing it up and it has still not developed into a clear swindler situation, maybe we should open it up to discussion once again? The lectures may continue, in order to prevent future accusations on a first offense. Especially when the accused has a lot of positive ratings.
Negative things beyond our control do happen and can affect anyone of us.
I did not take part of previous discussion as I was then not yet Numista member. To be honest I am afraid of that sort of thing happening myself. I intend to be fast and fair on my swaps, I'm quite a new member with only 3 swaps so far and I am dreading my first "I never got your coins in post" confrontation.
But I too think that it can unfortunately happen and the more you swap the more likely it is one day to happen. Law of averages.
There are ways of dealing with it and still reach somewhat satisfactory result for both sides.
However in the case posted here it is pretty clear it is not one of those cases... registered post numbers that don't exist... same people giving great rates and then suddenly ALL swaps not received!?! If post goes missing it will not happen 5 times in row with other coincidences happening in same time (unless its some nature disaster in area, or worldwide postal service collapse that somehow also deletes the reg numbers from servers around).
Quote: madhunagaI was once lectured by many that I should not be complaining about being cheated. But it seems even his ID can be displayed and no lecture...hmmm
The individual you accused was on his first negative rating and still is to this day. Here we have a topic that started after the fifth swindle in November 2013 and the account has been terminated. I see a big difference between the post you started and the one pnightingale started. On this one, the criteria for a dishonest swap history has been met. On your topic it has not been met, not even up to this point in time.
Agreed, the other glaring difference was Phil put up the discreet title FYI (for your information) rather than the aggressive "Another Cheater Confirmed!" that you started your thread off with
Quote: KartWayBut I too think that it can unfortunately happen and the more you swap the more likely it is one day to happen. Law of averages.
There are ways of dealing with it and still reach somewhat satisfactory result for both sides.
However in the case posted here it is pretty clear it is not one of those cases... registered post numbers that don't exist... same people giving great rates and then suddenly ALL swaps not received!?! If post goes missing it will not happen 5 times in row with other coincidences happening in same time (unless its some nature disaster in area, or worldwide postal service collapse that somehow also deletes the reg numbers from servers around).
It is true that packages can occasionally go missing but there are steps you can take to try and avoid this. I have now completed 83 swaps, only ever send by regular mail and have not lost one yet. In my opinion this is down to sturdy and secure packaging (I believe one of my swap partners rated my packaging as "bomb-proof"!) In contrast, some of the packages I have received have been so flimsy and so obviously coins inside that I am surprised they ever got to me.
Just because you can't see it ... doesn't mean it isn't there - Anon.
I've only sent regular mail and have never had a letter go missing.
I quite enjoy the ultra packaged coins, it increases the anticipation of getting the coin if you've got it sitting in your hands but still have to spend 5 minutes getting it open, like an adult version of pass the parcel.
Quote: KartWayBut I too think that it can unfortunately happen and the more you swap the more likely it is one day to happen. Law of averages.
There are ways of dealing with it and still reach somewhat satisfactory result for both sides.
However in the case posted here it is pretty clear it is not one of those cases... registered post numbers that don't exist... same people giving great rates and then suddenly ALL swaps not received!?! If post goes missing it will not happen 5 times in row with other coincidences happening in same time (unless its some nature disaster in area, or worldwide postal service collapse that somehow also deletes the reg numbers from servers around).
It is true that packages can occasionally go missing but there are steps you can take to try and avoid this. I have now completed 83 swaps, only ever send by regular mail and have not lost one yet. In my opinion this is down to sturdy and secure packaging (I believe one of my swap partners rated my packaging as "bomb-proof"!) In contrast, some of the packages I have received have been so flimsy and so obviously coins inside that I am surprised they ever got to me.
True dat, If you ever receive a parcel from Rick don't try to open it unless you have a good hour to devote to it.
Same story here, never been swindled over a similar number of exchanges. Apart from a swap here and there with my long time Limey** pals, I don't trade much outside of North America but until the recent jacking up of postal rates I was quite happily swapping coins with most of Europe without any problems.
I would offer you some advice but as it would most likely lead to another ban or even worse, I will just hope that you have enough savvy to work out who and what to avoid by yourself. Please understand that I'm not being unhelpful or obstructive.
** DISCLAIMER: Don't bother contacting ICANN, INTERPOL, Batman and expert forensics internet police. The term Limey refers to the practice by British sailors of drinking lime juice to prevent scurvy.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Quote: pnightingale** DISCLAIMER: Don't bother contacting ICANN, INTERPOL, Batman and expert forensics internet police. The term Limey refers to the practice by British sailors of drinking lime juice to prevent scurvy.
Really? I had heard it was because of the surname on the example of the enrolment sheet in WWI or WW2 was "Limes"
Quote: pnightingale** DISCLAIMER: Don't bother contacting ICANN, INTERPOL, Batman and expert forensics internet police. The term Limey refers to the practice by British sailors of drinking lime juice to prevent scurvy.
Really? I had heard it was because of the surname on the example of the enrolment sheet in WWI or WW2 was "Limes"
Naw mate, it was introduced by Admiral Nelson during the Napoleonic wars and was regarded by American sailors as effeminate.
While they were rolling around with scurvy we landed a small detachment of Royal Marines and burned down the White House.
Non illegitimis carborundum est. Excellent advice for all coins.
Make Numismatics Great Again!
Gentlemen,
I want to know from you what is the criteria for confirming a person as a cheat? It should be clear.
1. If more than two persons report a person as not sending coins is it cheating or not?
2. If only one person resports a person as not sending coins after agreeing to sending, is it cheating or not?
3. If a person has some positive ratings first, then starts not sending coins to others... is it cheating or not? He still has some positive ratings.
4. We are not talking about people who post but postal is lost on the way. This is clear as risk is on both parties if they agree to post by normal and not registered post.
Quote: madhunagaGentlemen,
I want to know from you what is the criteria for confirming a person as a cheat? It should be clear.
1. If more than two persons report a person as not sending coins is it cheating or not?
2. If only one person resports a person as not sending coins after agreeing to sending, is it cheating or not?
3. If a person has some positive ratings first, then starts not sending coins to others... is it cheating or not? He still has some positive ratings.
4. We are not talking about people who post but postal is lost on the way. This is clear as risk is on both parties if they agree to post by normal and not registered post.
It is not black and white as that.
1. At first you can not report someone for not sending the coins, I think, because in the end of the day, you don't really know for a fact if they sent coins or not. But common sense says that if it happens often that other people don't receive coins from certain person, it can be a dodgy person.
There can be different situations though. Take person like me, I have only 3 swaps so far, if now the next 3 will not receive their stuff, it is likely that I am being dishonest. If you have a hundred swaps and 3 people during all that time haven't received their coins, there is likelihood that reason lies somewhere else. Although caution should be applied swapping.
Also depends on area packages are sent to and sent from. I don't mean to put any country down, but it does seem that the postal service is not trustworthy everywhere.
It is not black and white as I said and you can't always apply the same rules to everyone. Surely you must know it.
2. Look at point nr 1. Same story.
3. Look at point 1. Same story.
4. SEE- you understand it too!!!! Now read your own 4th point again slowly.
We don't hold the hand of people posting coins. So we NEVER know for sure if a person posted them or not.
In case where there are 3 cross-ratings all positive from same people in all of their accounts and then suddenly no-one receives coins, registered numbers provided don't exist, and person in end closes/deletes their Numista account, point of cheating is pretty clear I think.
Quote: madhunagaI want to know from you what is the criteria for confirming a person as a cheat? It should be clear.
I believe it is 3 negative ratings out of the last 5 that trigger the Numista official warning. Maybe a Team Member can verify. That is the criteria, giving the benefit of the doubt. The second person you speak of does not count, since there is no official negative rating from them.
I found it...
Quote: bam777Warnings are automatically displayed for members with bad ratings. Until now the conditions was to have an average rating lower than 3.5 out of 5 however the new condition is an average rating lower than 3.5 over the last 5 ratings hence good swappers which suddenly become bad swappers also have the warning.
I have changed these words but this came from Xavier himself. I thought that it would help people understand what generates a warning.
So the upshot is, you can't automatically call someone a cheat just because you're pissed off that you didn't receive coins in one swap if they have nothing but positive ratings other than that one swap. If someone has an impeccable swap rating and one lot of coins doesn't turn up then look for other explanations other than automatically calling them a cheat, if they continue to have bad swaps from then, then you can start reporting it.
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